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this week on the show former fbi

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employee and former agent for the air

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force office of special investigations

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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walter bosley welcome for the very first

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time i can't believe i'm saying this

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the very first time just somewhere in

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the skies it's great to be here ryan

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it's it's always interesting to talk

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with you

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absolutely man and i know you know we've

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had a few

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adventures together now um one of which

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was in

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nova scotia when i was um first getting

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to know you

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and um greg bishop was there and paul

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kimball

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and it was like this ragtag group of

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guys that i have just been like

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dreaming about spending a weekend with

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and talking ufos paranormal

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um you know the occult and everything in

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and um yeah we had some good times man

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and then

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background and i was like

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why have i not interviewed this guy

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earlier so

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we're finally making it happen the goofy

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beret wearing friend of

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you know greg's you know back then you

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did if you would have known

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did i know i know for those who

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uh in my audience may not be familiar

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with your work you are an

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author you are a filmmaker screenwriter

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but you've had a lot of different lives

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and um i'd love to kind of walk through

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so would you mind kind of telling us how

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your um

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your career first started um with all

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the various agencies you've worked with

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and uh

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yeah give us the origin story of walter

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bosley

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um turn professional spook well

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it it's interesting there's actually

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when you look at it there's

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there's two threads two tracks or

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streams

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to my career now a lot of people

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they assume that i retired from the

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military or i retired from the fbi and

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what's interesting is i never officially

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retired from any of the organizations i

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worked for because i didn't work for any

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of them long enough

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my my career was almost 20 years it was

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19 and a half years

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between really four different employers

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but i started with the fbi

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in 1988 now um

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to to kick off the other track so that

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you realize there's this other track

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going along with this

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and i'll go back and forth to you know

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illuminate things

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you know maybe make it clear how it

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worked for me yeah

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i i had an uncle one of my mom's

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brothers who had spent

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by the time he retired in 99 he'd spent

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44 years in the intelligence community

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of the us and he had started out in army

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special forces had been drafted i think

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in 1950 or 51 something like that

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and he started mentoring me

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directly in 1986 about the time

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i got out of college i finished at san

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diego state in a december of 85

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and he was the one who suggested that i

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go apply

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to the fbi and this was after

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already like a year and a half two years

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he and i having some really interesting

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both about the uh intelligence spook

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and and and where those two worlds cross

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over and they do

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but uh in in november of 87

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he told me uh hey go apply to the local

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so i did and by february

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of 88 i was offered the job by the fbi

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as a male clerk and you know in those

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you'd take a job to get your foot in the

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door in in stuff like that i i imagine

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people still do that so i spent 45 days

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as a male clerk got promoted to

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uh evidence technician did that for

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about six months and then was brought

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into the counter intelligence division

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essentially spent the rest of my career

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counter intelligence with a little bit

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of counterterrorism in there and such

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um and uh

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after let's see i had my first

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um spy training i guess you'd call it at

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quantico in the fall of 88.

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and then i was on a covert surveillance

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team uh

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discrete surveillance team actually

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scored the highest in the san francisco

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um for the foreign language aptitude

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and they sent me to russian training and

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i thought oh great i'm already in the

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san francisco division

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you know i'll just be down the road in

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monterey that's nice and i go no no no

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you're going

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your class is going to fort meade so i

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spent almost a year at

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under the baltimore division at fort

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meade studying russian

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three years before going into the air

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force i worked on an under

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that this was a truly undercover squad

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that had been a 15-year cold war

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and we were part of the last crew when

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the cold war ended

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on that uh on that squad and from the

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fbi i went into

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the air force because the osi wanted to

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hire me at the time

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the fbi had a freeze on agent positions

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they just weren't running any agent

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classes they weren't planning on hiring

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any agents and

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again going back to my mentor you know

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you know you got to become an agent you

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know get that badge

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so i went to the osi and they liked my

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background and

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they wanted me and i went into ots

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summer of 93 got commissioned in

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november of 93 and

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agent academy i spent my entire time in

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office of special investigations

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my first assignment was la air force

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base which

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doesn't have a flight line it's right

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next to lax but it's a rocket

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and space engineering type of base

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and it fell under the uh the early what

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command of the us air force which

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morphed in with space force when that

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a liaison to the

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agent to the um fbi office that i

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uh years before and then i went back to

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wright patterson for three years to be

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chief of the counter-espionage

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operations branch

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which is double agentry and during that

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time i did a six-month deployment to

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saudi arabia doing counter-terrorism

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stuff i went off active duty in 99 after

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about six years with the air force so at

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that time i'd done

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organization to encounter terrorism

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uh ops it kind of sounds redundant but

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when you do operations in that world you

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you have operational people who are

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backing up the operational people right

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you have ops people backing up the ops

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people but you know all these different

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deeper but um did that all over the

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library in 2002 but

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he needs his dad around instead of me

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gallivanting all over the world

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while he's in high school so i decided

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writing and and for about a year and a

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every single former federal agent i ever

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who did this uh corporate contract

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security background investigations

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we all were unanimous corporate america

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no business being involved with security

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rush through this stuff

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and sure enough in the years after i

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in disgust we had some of those famous

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people who had uh had these jobs

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where they'd been given security

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you know we're selling secrets or giving

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them away or doing all this stuff and

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you find out that these corporations are

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the ones that did their backgrounds

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you know and um anyway that's a whole

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and uh but uh yeah i just i got tired of

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doing that because it was just they

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they didn't do it right and the the

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publishing was picking up in the

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in the writing you know by that time i

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had uh just published the disneyland

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i had walked into the empire of the

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which you know i wrote three books about

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at this point so you know it was a good

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time to leave the former uh

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career behind and focus on this new

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and um yeah and it has been a weird ride

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ever since then but the skills during

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obviously um you know are tremendous for

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being you know a journalist an

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investigative researcher that kind of

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as mundane as some of that can

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you know that can sound the way i

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presented it you know fbi

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counterintelligence guy than the air

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force

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there was still

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the stream of weird running through my

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life

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during those years i mean if you recall

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i said my mentor and i

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used to have discussions about the intel

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spook world but the

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other spook world too and he told me

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about

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the experiences he started having when

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he was in the army

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and um you know he was the one who told

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me

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that the deeper you go into the

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intelligence world the more you will

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find

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people into this stuff this was back in

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86

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87 so this was all new to me this was

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like oh wait like ufos and ghosts and

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weird stuff and it says oh yeah yeah

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and um walter can i ask um

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can i ask what how did you find this

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mentor

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like was this you're part of okay i was

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gonna say you're part of a military

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family right

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well yeah my dad was in the air force

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which i wrote about in

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shimmering light and you know this

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particular uncle one of my mom's

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brothers

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um you know he had been army since the

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50s

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she had another brother who was

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in the navy during world war ii and he

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was on a ship that was hit by a kamikaze

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plane and um i think

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she had another brother who was in so i

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think she had three brothers my dad was

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in

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the air force so um

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yeah and in the family history of course

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you know

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served uh in the uh union army during

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the um

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civil war and dating back to the the

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revolution

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too so both sides of my family my moms

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and my dads have been here since

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the 17th century the 1600s so

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um so we're probably you know in those

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naughty colonies

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but yeah

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we weren't wealthy landowners believe me

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okay

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fair enough fair enough uh well i i'd

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love to um

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rewind for just a second sure and um

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maybe

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could you paint us a picture um of

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like what a day consisted of uh in

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manhattan

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with the fbi like what were you really

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doing there

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um surveillance i assume was a part of

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the job and then um

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can you tell us a little bit more about

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your time with afosi

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if there's any stories memorable things

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you can share i know

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um someone with your background can't

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share a lot of specifics but um

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yeah maybe a little bit about what you

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did in the fbi specifically

366
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and then any cool stuff with the af osi

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yeah uh with the fbi as i said now when

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i reported for duty the first day

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on march 14 1988 i

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walk i'm walking in with about a dozen

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new fbi

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employees i'm 24 years old at this point

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and myself and another young lady as

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we're standing in line

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somebody walks up different people walk

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up to each of us and pull us out of the

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line

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you know for my part they said you

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walter basel yes uh come come with me

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please

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and i'm thinking okay who in my family

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uh

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you know turned up in the background as

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some type of criminal or whatever and i

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didn't know about it because that's what

386
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i'm thinking right they're pulling me

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aside to say oh we have a problem

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so they take me into this room inside

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the office there

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and and it's an empty room except for

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three chairs the one i

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sit in and the two facing me and i sit

393
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there for probably about five minutes

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alone wondering what the heck

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and in walks uh a

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gentleman and a lady each uh agents they

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introduce themselves and i find out

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that um he's the supervisor of what's

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called the ssg

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the special support group which is a

401
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discrete

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physical surveillance team and

403
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he basically hands me this 14 page

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in-house application knowledge skills

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assessment

406
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and says fill this out and get it back

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to us as soon as possible we think

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you're

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qualified to be on our team blah blah

410
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this is the first day i report to be a

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mail clerk okay

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and i'm already being pulled aside by

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the counterintelligence

414
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people and so i fill that out get it

415
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back to them

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you know uh i spent you know my first

417
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half a year in the bureau being a male

418
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clerk and an evidence technician

419
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and then finally i get a call now i had

420
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transferred from la to san jose

421
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and um i get a call when i'm in san jose

422
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one day and it's the surveillance team

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supervisor and

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finally they send me to training so i go

425
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to quantico for the spook training

426
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spy training and that's a lot of fun

427
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that was interesting that was really

428
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interesting

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and i spend about a year on the

430
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surveillance team

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and gru

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agents and their associates around san

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francisco

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and i worked that good shift the two to

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ten so you get to do all the fun stuff

436
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like when they go to dinner and

437
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you know if they they go to the take

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their kids to the circus or if they go

439
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to a ball game or something but you know

440
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actually the evening is when they do

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most of their spy activity

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so that was the time you know and uh one

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night

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uh we thought at one point that they

445
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were going out

446
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after we put them down for the night

447
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because we would burn off once they were

448
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in for the night

449
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and let the techies take over but they

450
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wanted to see if they were

451
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coming outside again um because

452
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it's assumed when you work in these

453
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countries and you're in the intelligence

454
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business

455
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that the host country is following you

456
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right

457
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but you're not sure how many hours so

458
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they wanted to test that so we wanted to

459
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test them testing that

460
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so um i uh followed around these two uh

461
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kgb agents

462
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:52,870
well they they were walking and then

463
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they did this and there was no way

464
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around it would burn me so i just had to

465
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keep going

466
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and the way it works without going into

467
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a long thing is

468
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,120
if you're on the regular team that

469
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:06,959
follows these people

470
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,959
you're not necessarily supposed to be

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invisible to them

472
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you're supposed it's okay for them to

473
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get to know you because

474
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part of your reason for being is to be

475
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if they want to defect

476
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then you become a receiver and a

477
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protector

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00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:23,600
see so you kind of want them to know hi

479
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i'm the friendly fbi guy just watching

480
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out for you you know

481
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i'm also watching to see if you're doing

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spy stuff but

483
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uh you know it was just a very humorous

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thing we walked past and

485
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you know just kind of smile it's like oh

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okay now we both know what's going on

487
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late at night and um you know physical

488
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surveillance is something that i love

489
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that was the first time i did it i did

490
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it all through my career it became

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actually my focused specialty again when

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i was doing counterterrorism

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around the world and uh so anyway um i

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passed the language test as i said a few

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minutes ago

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and i became a language specialist for

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the fbi

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after i finished the training sent to

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manhattan to that undercover squad i

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mentioned

501
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and that was a technical surveillance

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job we had

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the gru and kgb agents we knew what

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their cover company was we had them

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wired

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and we would listen to the wiretaps

507
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every day now sometimes we'd go live

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usually we'd come in every day we'd

509
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listen to the recorded cuts

510
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from the day before and we'd translate

511
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that

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and write a little log about you know

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their activities

514
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what was interesting was um our squad

515
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was undercover so we never went anywhere

516
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near the federal building

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at the time i was married and um she

518
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we met in language training and she had

519
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the same job so

520
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we would work at this uh building in

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manhattan which i

522
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will not identify but i'll i will say

523
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this i've seen it in two movies over the

524
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years

525
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so i'll say it's kind of funny you're

526
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like oh that's interesting um

527
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and uh you know this is a situation

528
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where only two people in the building

529
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:58,720
knew we were an fbi squad

530
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,880
you know we go in you have to in those

531
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,200
days then even they were making you sign

532
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,200
in before getting on the elevator

533
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each day the security of this particular

534
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building

535
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and uh we had undercover names and you

536
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,440
know we worked in this office we had our

537
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the office had a cover identity it was

538
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such and such type of company

539
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and they had the people out front should

540
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there be a walk-in pretend they're with

541
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the company and say

542
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,000
you know oh we can't take any new

543
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,840
clients that whole game but it was

544
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:27,440
actually an fbi

545
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,799
squad in there a wiretap squad and so

546
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,480
uh like i said i did that for three

547
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years and

548
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um there was one time

549
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when the wall fell there was a concern

550
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about

551
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:45,520
okay keeping keeping a count on the

552
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soviet union's

553
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:49,840
nukes okay so

554
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,880
we were told to focus on shipments

555
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,640
any kind of railroad shipments or

556
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:56,080
airplane shipments or something this was

557
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,400
when

558
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this was like right after the wall fell

559
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,480
and all that stuff happened in the early

560
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,520
90s

561
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,960
and i did a particular cut about a rail

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00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:06,000
shipment through

563
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,240
this part of the world to that and um

564
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:12,559
the next day the boss supervisor calls

565
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,679
me and says hey just want to let you

566
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,280
know that cut was really good it was

567
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,640
important information

568
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:19,679
and it went to the top and i'm like oh

569
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,000
i'm

570
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:22,000
joked i said oh the director knows who i

571
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,200
am honey goes

572
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:25,440
no waltzer it was briefed in the war

573
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:30,710
i said oh i said the president knows who

574
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,840
i am and he says

575
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,480
no walter you're a code number remember

576
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:36,080
i'm like ah

577
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,679
because we are you know your source

578
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:39,760
number nine eight seven or whatever

579
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:42,400
but you said good job anyway you caught

580
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:43,039
it

581
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:50,400
so things got more

582
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:54,320
interesting even more interesting when i

583
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:55,520
went into the air force

584
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,120
osi but now

585
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:02,080
on the undercurrent part during my fbi

586
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:03,440
years

587
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,559
there was the whole

588
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:09,360
there was that whole remote viewing

589
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,840
group

590
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,400
experience and did you want to go into

591
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,000
that now or later yeah

592
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:17,120
um let's do it man let's do it yeah

593
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,919
because i i

594
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,159
i don't know much about the whole

595
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,720
government or i should say military

596
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,360
uh remote viewing except what i've read

597
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:28,000
in like annie jacobson's work and

598
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,840
some of these files that have come out

599
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,600
so yeah yeah

600
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,000
yeah please the guys who originated yeah

601
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,520
okay well

602
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:38,480
jump back briefly with me to 1986 when

603
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,799
my

604
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,880
uncle mentor is working on me now this

605
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,880
is 1986.

606
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,440
the public to my understanding was not

607
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,360
made aware of remote viewing to the

608
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,679
like early 90s with the courtney brown

609
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,200
book i think it was

610
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,559
yeah it was the first person to talk

611
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,799
about remote viewing as such publicly

612
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,039
and then by the mid 90s that was the

613
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:58,559
first time a couple of

614
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,520
books specifically on operation whatever

615
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,880
they were grill flame whatever they were

616
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,400
calling themselves at the time

617
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,679
but 1986 this is years before that

618
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,480
and my uncle says hey come on out to the

619
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:12,720
van there's something i got to show you

620
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,720
and uh so i walk out there and and uh

621
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,360
he reaches under the passenger seat and

622
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:20,640
hands me this heavy

623
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:23,919
object wrapped in a dish towel

624
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,880
and he unwraps it and it's an automatic

625
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,320
pistol

626
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,159
and i'm looking at this thing while he

627
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:31,760
tells me

628
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,200
he said you know uh there's this

629
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,320
method um

630
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,440
that you'll be taught someday

631
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,640
and i'm like um okay a method of it says

632
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:45,679
you'll be able to

633
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,799
stand down here where we're standing he

634
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:50,159
says you see that hilltop over there

635
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,440
like yeah he pointed to

636
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,080
the nearest hilltop and uh at the foot

637
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,760
of the mountains he said you you'll be

638
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,799
trained

639
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,960
how to be standing down here and throw

640
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,880
your consciousness

641
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:03,200
up to throw your mind up to the top of

642
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,159
that hill

643
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,840
and tell your team what and who is up

644
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,080
there

645
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,600
you know and i'm thinking well that's

646
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:12,559
some real psychic uh yuri geller type

647
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,120
stuff

648
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,039
you know as i'm standing here holding

649
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:17,039
this gun which he has said not a word

650
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,000
about

651
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,440
okay later on when i became

652
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,400
you know a an asset handler i realized

653
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,679
just what a master recruiter my uncle

654
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,159
he was a great handler the the little

655
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:32,320
nuances you know he puts this gun in my

656
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,640
hand

657
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,240
and yet he's telling me about this

658
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:35,760
operational thing doesn't say a word

659
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,000
about

660
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,720
the gun until you know he's done telling

661
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,600
me about

662
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,440
throwing my consciousness up and be able

663
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,520
to communicate to my team well this is

664
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,600
this is you know i would learn later

665
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,400
this is remote viewing now remember

666
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:51,200
he's a guy who was in the uh intel

667
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,080
community

668
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,960
for decades and he was army spec ops i

669
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,559
have no doubt that he knew

670
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,200
something firsthand about the army

671
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,039
remote viewing program at this point

672
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,200
no doubt at all because obviously he's

673
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,559
telling me about this

674
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,320
so he finishes telling me about that he

675
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:08,000
says says you like that he goes you

676
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,360
ought to get yourself one

677
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,080
and he goes make sure it's 22 caliber

678
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,600
and then you know he explained to me

679
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,120
something that again i learned later

680
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,640
that it's one of the reasons assassins

681
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:16,960
use

682
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,240
bounce around a lot and can do a lot of

683
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:24,240
internal damage and kind of get the job

684
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,960
done

685
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,120
so that's why there are assassins that

686
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,320
use 22 caliber

687
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,600
that was the first i'd ever heard of

688
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:33,200
that so he wraps up the gun and you know

689
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:34,080
that was

690
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,559
never forgotten him telling me about

691
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:40,159
this you know throwing your mind up on

692
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:40,799
the hill so

693
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:44,400
jump ahead jump ahead to

694
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,400
um 89 okay three years later

695
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,600
i'm in the fbi i'm in russian training

696
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,400
and recall

697
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,520
that i thought i was gonna go to

698
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:55,600
monterey but instead they say oh no no

699
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:56,080
no

700
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,840
your class is going to fort

701
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,520
okay you'll be attached to the baltimore

702
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,960
division they'll pay you and

703
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,799
stuff like that but but you're going to

704
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,520
be learning russian at fort meade

705
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,159
okay so i go back there and it's this

706
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,320
area of the base it's an annex

707
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,760
called the phanex and

708
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,159
in this section and it's near a little

709
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:19,679
town called linthicum where the

710
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,720
bwi airport is um in this section of

711
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,679
fort meade

712
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,039
you know there's kind of these wooded

713
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,960
areas there was back then this is what

714
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,000
over 30 years ago

715
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:30,799
now and there was this low you know kind

716
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,120
of

717
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,600
medium dark wood building there that we

718
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,320
could see

719
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,320
from our building you know we'd step out

720
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,080
to have a break some people smoked but

721
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,600
you know we'd all step outside to get a

722
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:41,120
break from the building and you could

723
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,000
see this building

724
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,640
i'm describing typical military type of

725
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,440
building

726
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,279
um off a little bit in the distance in

727
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,520
the woods um

728
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:52,000
you know we saw that every day for 11

729
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:53,600
months

730
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,279
and um at the time i knew of

731
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,880
no connection to what my uncle told me

732
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,960
about in 86 and anything to do with army

733
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:02,559
remote viewing well

734
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,480
now jump ahead it's 1996

735
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,480
10 years after my uncle told me about

736
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:10,080
throwing my mind up to the hilltop

737
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,760
and being able to see what's there um

738
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,880
what seven years after spending a year

739
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,320
in this place where i see this

740
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,000
particular building every day

741
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,360
it's 1996 i'm deployed to saudi arabia

742
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,200
i see one of the first books ever

743
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,360
written about remote viewing

744
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,960
it talks about operation grill flame and

745
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,039
mcmonagle and lynn buchanan and all

746
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,720
those guys

747
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,640
and in the photo section i'm looking at

748
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,000
this in the bx tent

749
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,760
the hard shell tent they call it and

750
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,159
i'll be darn there is a photo of that

751
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,080
very building that i just described to

752
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,279
you that i used to see

753
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,919
every day from the building where we

754
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:48,960
were trained

755
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:52,960
by the nsa cryptologic school in russian

756
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,240
and i realized this is the same building

757
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,799
and then i remember little things my

758
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,400
uncle would ask me when i would drive

759
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,400
down to alabama on long weekends to

760
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,240
visit him from maryland

761
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,200
and he would know stuff going on in the

762
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:10,240
class that i hadn't told him

763
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,159
and so in 96 i'm going okay

764
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,720
this remote viewing stuff this is

765
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,360
exactly what he told me about in 1986

766
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,000
about throwing

767
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,679
your mind long distances and reading

768
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,360
what's there and

769
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:26,000
this this army group that developed this

770
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,640
did it in

771
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,279
this building which was right next door

772
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:30,640
to my

773
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,960
what's going on here you know and um

774
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:37,039
so for years and he never confirmed to

775
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,320
me that it was

776
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:41,440
the remote viewing thing but uh you zip

777
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,240
ahead to

778
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,600
just a few years ago uh 2016

779
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,080
no 2015 something like that and i meet

780
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,840
lynn buchanan for the first time now for

781
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,360
those who don't know lynn buchanan

782
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,279
worked with joe mcmonagle and

783
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,799
those guys you know they were the

784
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:56,559
original remote viewers

785
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,000
uh for the army and uh uh i had the

786
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,039
pleasure of of meeting lynn through a

787
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:04,480
mutual friend

788
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,600
and we were visiting and uh

789
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,320
i i just i i couldn't resist i had to

790
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:11,520
ask him

791
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,960
and i said hey would you guys ever um

792
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,159
have used government personnel uh

793
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,279
to train remote viewers you know as

794
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,120
targets unwittingly and he kind of

795
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,720
looked at me and smile and goes you know

796
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:27,760
kind of like why whatever do you mean

797
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,440
and anyway we got to talking and um

798
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,039
you know i told him about being in that

799
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,360
uh fbi class in 89 and he said oh that

800
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:36,720
was on the phanex i'm like

801
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:40,880
yeah and uh

802
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:44,080
long story short i realized

803
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,600
that there had only been two fbi classes

804
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,760
run through this particular nsa school

805
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:51,279
at fort meade ours and the one after

806
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,159
ours and then they

807
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,520
stopped doing it and started sending

808
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,919
everybody back to uh monterey

809
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,320
and in each fbi class there were nine

810
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,279
fbi people

811
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,480
and always one nsa person now in our

812
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,559
class the nsa person was a real quiet

813
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:05,679
young lady

814
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,720
for a year she never socialized with us

815
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,480
after hours or on weekends and we all

816
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:12,000
got pretty close

817
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,320
um but she kept kept her distance well

818
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,760
over the years after i learned about

819
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:19,039
remote viewing and after i learned how

820
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,840
to do it i

821
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,240
began to realize wait a minute we were

822
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:23,279
being

823
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:26,880
remote viewed and she was the antenna

824
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,840
because the way it works is you can put

825
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,880
one of your own

826
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,559
in the vicinity of the target you're

827
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:35,120
trying to read and and you basically

828
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,600
your

829
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,880
on that antenna

830
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,799
and it makes the signal stronger so to

831
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:42,720
speak is how it works

832
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,919
well i realized okay she's the antenna

833
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,799
for these remote viewers to read each

834
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:49,440
one of us

835
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:53,120
in this class so i kind of threw that at

836
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,080
him and he was

837
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,640
being real quiet and smiling and anyway

838
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,399
how he confirmed it to me

839
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,159
was you know he said yeah yeah they

840
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:01,840
would do that but

841
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:05,120
he knew the young lady for the nsa that

842
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,679
was

843
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,919
in our class he described her

844
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:08,960
description

845
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,640
and he knew her name so he confirmed for

846
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,240
me that

847
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,320
that building we were seeing yep that

848
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,840
was the rv building and

849
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,080
yes we were being and and what happened

850
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:22,240
was the fbi needed people trained in

851
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,200
language

852
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,559
the army needed

853
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,480
unwitting targets to train their rv

854
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,480
people so the fbi said

855
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:33,120
we'll send you nine bodies and you know

856
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,720
train them in russian

857
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:37,840
and uh you know you can watch them do

858
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:38,480
whatever

859
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,840
and uh that's that that

860
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,520
that's what was going on when i was in

861
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,120
language training now this isn't

862
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,520
just a speculation of mine i obviously

863
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:49,360
got it confirmed by one of those

864
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:50,000
original

865
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,080
guys and so you know

866
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,640
that that's just a taste you know a

867
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:58,000
sample of

868
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,000
just some of the weird um interesting

869
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,399
things that are relevant to some of the

870
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,440
stuff i've written about

871
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,519
that we've all talked about you know and

872
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:08,480
stuff and that

873
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,679
uh i i you know it's those stories which

874
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,279
kind of

875
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,200
there's that mundane part of my career i

876
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,120
say mundane because no not everybody

877
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:18,720
gets to do that kind of stuff

878
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,000
but not everybody in that stuff you know

879
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:25,279
experiences all this weird side stuff

880
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:26,159
going on

881
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,559
so um you know i uh

882
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,440
going back to 96 you know that that was

883
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,120
when i was beginning to put together all

884
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,279
that suspicion that our class was used

885
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,480
and that that pretty much revealed to me

886
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,559
partially how my uncle knew things that

887
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,320
i hadn't told him

888
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,679
and it was um it was one of those things

889
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,200
that was kind of astounding you know

890
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:50,399
that i would learn about

891
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,919
but the nature of the job even though as

892
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,000
he said the deeper you go in that world

893
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,440
the more you meet people that have

894
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,039
experienced this that know about this

895
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,000
stuff

896
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,600
it's still something that you don't talk

897
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,559
to

898
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,679
talk about with just anybody okay it's

899
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,760
it's there it's under the surface and

900
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,720
you get better at

901
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,799
recognizing after talking for a couple

902
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:14,080
minutes with somebody

903
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,519
or listening to them in certain

904
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,760
situations you can tell okay this person

905
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,640
knows

906
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:21,519
so it's like this little not a little

907
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,080
club

908
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,799
it's it's like this little little

909
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:25,919
subcultural

910
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,240
thread running through the ranks

911
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:33,840
and i'm pretty sure that that's how they

912
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,880
draw people for programs like remote

913
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:37,760
viewing

914
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:41,200
and things like that now my uncle

915
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,919
was teaching me all sorts of weird stuff

916
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,880
um from the before i started with the

917
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:49,919
fbi

918
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:56,399
through the air force years and you know

919
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:57,039
i was

920
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,640
and and doing

921
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,320
you know what what he instructed me to

922
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,279
do and uh that's where the um

923
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:06,880
this this is where it gets wild but

924
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,080
that's where the necromancy uh

925
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:13,200
comes in okay i wasn't expecting to hear

926
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,080
that word

927
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:16,960
in this conversation walter yeah well

928
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,440
let's

929
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,720
because this is a pattern like you said

930
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,080
that would follow you

931
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,720
throughout your careers and i find that

932
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:26,559
intriguing that you know

933
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:30,240
these things do become very contained

934
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:30,480
and

935
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,279
the time with

936
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,039
intelligence communities you could trace

937
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:38,480
back the generations of people who

938
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,120
worked

939
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:42,080
in that in the military um but okay so

940
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,200
sorry

941
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:46,240
right i'm sure they do so tell me about

942
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:49,360
this necromancy what is this about

943
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,669
what you're willing to share yeah oh

944
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,000
yeah yeah it's it's just

945
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,559
it's there there was there was a point i

946
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,000
was thinking of and then i

947
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,679
i kind of a way to to intro this that i

948
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:10,240
i kind of lost there i had it briefly

949
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,240
but um yes they do

950
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,359
recruit they will try their best to

951
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,200
recruit through family lines like my

952
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,480
uncle told me

953
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,320
you know before i started working for

954
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,839
the bureau he said

955
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,599
you know i watched you and your sisters

956
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:27,280
from the time you were little he says

957
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,399
you're the one who's

958
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:31,280
curious he said these things scare your

959
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,079
sisters

960
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:34,159
they they could have developed it but it

961
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,280
scares them he says

962
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,599
you're the one who was curious about it

963
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,960
he says you get spooked

964
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,639
because you grew up watching those as he

965
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,399
put it those damn horror movies

966
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,960
he goes but uh he goes you're curious

967
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,520
and

968
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:48,720
so he said that's why you know he had

969
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,280
selected me um to to mentor

970
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:56,720
and um i had in december of

971
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,720
79 a really

972
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,839
vivid and very impactful

973
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,400
uh uh i guess you'd call it an awakening

974
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,560
or an enlightenment experience

975
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:11,040
and he had visited just months before

976
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,320
this happened

977
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,040
and uh that was the first time i noticed

978
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,720
that his focus was on me

979
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,400
i mean he always got along with my dad

980
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,680
you know for years so they had their

981
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,880
rapport and they would

982
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,560
talk and stuff like that and and you

983
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,800
know my sisters were his nieces but he

984
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,800
talked to me the most and and i noticed

985
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,480
it back then i was like

986
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,640
look he keeps asking me questions and

987
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,240
stuff you know whatever

988
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,240
and uh some months later in december of

989
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:36,560
79 i wake up one morning

990
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,480
and um the first thing i do is look at

991
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,200
my hands

992
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,280
i'm i'd turn 16 a couple of months

993
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,280
before i look at my hands and my first

994
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,160
thought is

995
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,359
these hands aren't mine

996
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:52,400
and uh i get up i walk through the house

997
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:52,800
and

998
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,839
i'm a little bit it's it's almost like

999
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,119
i'm surprised

1000
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,240
to see them or i'm wondering

1001
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,040
okay i know them as my sisters this is

1002
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,119
the person who is my mom but

1003
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,839
are they really you know is this really

1004
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,000
my sisters is this really my mom

1005
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,079
and and it kind of got you know comical

1006
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,760
later that evening i'm sitting in the

1007
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,520
living room watching the whole family

1008
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,800
you know we're

1009
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,320
watching tv you know doing our own

1010
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,079
things and i'm kind of looking around

1011
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,359
like

1012
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,320
kind of thing now you got to remember i

1013
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,160
was a nerdy kid i never did drugs i

1014
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,320
never smoked weed or anything

1015
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,000
you know so this wasn't anything like

1016
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,680
that and um

1017
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,560
i i never it's not like then i went to

1018
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,079
sleep one night and woke up and i was

1019
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:39,680
the person i was before no

1020
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:43,839
i to this day i am that person

1021
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,599
who woke up that morning and um

1022
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:50,640
you know so it didn't totally surprise

1023
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,040
me

1024
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,680
you know looking back that my uncle's

1025
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,880
mentorship

1026
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,960
was in the realm of the stuff and what

1027
00:37:03,270 --> 00:36:58,720
he was talking about the weird stuff

1028
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:03,280
well um a little over a year after that

1029
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,000
enlightenment experience i had this um

1030
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,599
i just realized i've forgotten to tell

1031
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:11,760
you about these things before so this is

1032
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:15,839
this is good stuff um i'd had this dream

1033
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,040
uh and it was singularly

1034
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:22,000
the most vivid dream and i've have vivid

1035
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,359
dreams all the time but this was an

1036
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,839
extremely vivid dream

1037
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,720
that i woke up startled and i kid you

1038
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:29,440
not

1039
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,200
over the next 20 years or so

1040
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:35,760
pieces of that dream came true i found

1041
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,400
myself

1042
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,520
in the situations in those places and it

1043
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,640
was startling at times when it first

1044
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,800
first started when i first started

1045
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:46,720
experiencing the things in the dream

1046
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,000
then then i got used to i used to it you

1047
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,599
know years later i asked my uncle about

1048
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,880
that dream i said

1049
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,599
what was that what and and he did one of

1050
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:56,880
his famous

1051
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,960
um we can't really talk about that right

1052
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,079
now

1053
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:05,440
he says but you were shown years ahead

1054
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,150
you know but he uh he he wouldn't

1055
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:13,839
explain it any more than that

1056
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,880
and uh anyway he um

1057
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,640
what that did was that started a really

1058
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,720
weird period in my life from the time i

1059
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:24,240
graduated high school and all through

1060
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,960
college

1061
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,000
in which i experienced strange

1062
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:31,520
deja vu's strange recognizing people who

1063
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,000
i'd never

1064
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,520
met before okay all that classic new age

1065
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,200
stuff you hear about right and then

1066
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,920
by the time i finish college he overtly

1067
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,599
starts mentoring me and

1068
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,359
he knows i'm interested in this stuff

1069
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,720
and you know we talk about

1070
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,640
these weird experiences we talk about my

1071
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,320
weird experiences

1072
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,760
and um he teaches me to do a couple of

1073
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,440
things like

1074
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,560
he he teaches me a specific way to read

1075
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:57,839
two books

1076
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,599
the iliad and the odyssey

1077
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:04,240
and that was a really interesting

1078
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,119
experience

1079
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:08,240
in and when i read those books the way

1080
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,560
he

1081
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,440
specifically taught me i could see

1082
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,520
things in them that i didn't see before

1083
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,920
and and it just it's all it unlocks the

1084
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:17,119
whole thing

1085
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:20,800
and then he taught me uh told me to

1086
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,400
uh start wearing

1087
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,760
this thing that i made just

1088
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,079
from a leather bootstrap certain number

1089
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,599
of knots in it

1090
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,680
and i was supposed to wear this all the

1091
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,280
time except when i was in the shower

1092
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,680
you know because it would wash off

1093
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:38,560
whatever

1094
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:42,000
and i wore one it was he would call it

1095
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,960
the string

1096
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,160
and it was always just made out of

1097
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,240
leather like a boot lace and

1098
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:49,119
i wore one of those for decades every

1099
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,079
day

1100
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,240
and uh if it got old and broke i would

1101
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,520
just make a new one

1102
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,880
and with this thing he taught me this is

1103
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,240
before i went to work

1104
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,480
for the fbi remember and this has a

1105
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:01,680
point to all this

1106
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,079
um he taught me how to use that thing

1107
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:09,680
to communicate with someone

1108
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:13,200
psychically miles away

1109
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:17,599
using a particular star in the evening

1110
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,440
and um he's teaching me this

1111
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:24,079
i'm having weird experiences where i

1112
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,960
keep waking up

1113
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:28,079
at 3 30 in the morning

1114
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,079
and i i sit up i'm i'm nervous

1115
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,680
i feel compelled to go in and turn the

1116
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,480
tv on i turn the tv on

1117
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,319
and there's some that right there on the

1118
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,160
first channel i come to there's some

1119
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:43,680
show that does or will pertain

1120
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:47,680
to my activities for example first time

1121
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:50,960
it happens i'm living in san diego in

1122
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,280
uh this is in november of 86

1123
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,480
and um i wake up

1124
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,240
you know just kind of real nervous you

1125
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,680
know someone in the house or whatever i

1126
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,520
get up it's 3 30 i'm like i got to go

1127
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,560
turn the tv on

1128
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:07,599
episode of i

1129
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,520
spy the old 60s series i spy

1130
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,920
and it's specifically the episode where

1131
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:15,440
they're chasing a terrorist

1132
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,560
around a nasa facility okay

1133
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:21,359
november 86 i wake up at 3 30 in the

1134
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,920
morning

1135
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,280
i mean i look at the clock i go

1136
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:25,760
downstairs i turn the tv on i spy

1137
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,270
he has told me to come visit him i do my

1138
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,079
first solo drive across the country

1139
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,480
um to go visit him in alabama i drive

1140
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,240
from california alabama never did the

1141
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:44,160
drive by myself before

1142
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,440
and um he says bring a suit

1143
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,319
and so i brought a suit anyway when i

1144
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,920
got there he told me he goes okay

1145
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,839
uh the day after tomorrow you're gonna

1146
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,760
drive up to birmingham

1147
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,960
or uh huntsville and uh

1148
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,200
you're going to take this application

1149
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,040
you're going to fill out tomorrow

1150
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:08,079
to the redstone arsenal the nasa office

1151
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,760
at redstone arsenal and uh so

1152
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,599
okay so i did that i filled the thing

1153
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,359
out the next day the day after that i

1154
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,119
drove up to huntsville

1155
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,000
went to the building he told me to go to

1156
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,839
went to this back door

1157
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,640
that he told me to go to i knocked a guy

1158
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,319
open the door and says are you walter

1159
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:28,079
like yeah he goes you got something for

1160
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:29,280
me i'm like yeah and i hand it in the

1161
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,079
envelope he's like

1162
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,640
okay thank you go see the museum enjoy

1163
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:33,760
yourself

1164
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,040
oh okay and so you know i i saw the

1165
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:40,000
nasa museum there at huntsville and that

1166
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:41,440
was actually my first

1167
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:45,599
application to uncle sam

1168
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,880
and um which

1169
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,720
makes you know when you and i have

1170
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,720
talked before i told you about

1171
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,599
recently i told you about um the two

1172
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,359
groups doing background investigations

1173
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,200
on me at the same time

1174
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,359
and the fbi was like who are those guys

1175
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,470
i had put in that application to this

1176
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,960
nasa installation

1177
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,960
a couple a year before i put in the

1178
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:12,960
application to the fbi

1179
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,640
so you know they're so there's these two

1180
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,000
groups as i told you there's this

1181
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,920
two-track thing going on

1182
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,400
in uh my career so anyway i turn in that

1183
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:24,079
application i go back i visit with my

1184
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,640
uncle

1185
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,319
and you know he that's when he starts

1186
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,400
telling me really weird stories about

1187
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,680
you know he goes someday i'll take you

1188
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,839
to a place where you know these things

1189
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,400
that you would call monsters exist

1190
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,960
and he told me about his own remote

1191
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:39,359
viewings and seeing the past

1192
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,880
and his own experiences and remember

1193
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,520
this is all before i went to work for

1194
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,200
the fbi now

1195
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,760
what's important here with all this

1196
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,640
stuff

1197
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,880
you know before i tell you more is that

1198
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:53,680
you take

1199
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,119
psychological battery tests okay

1200
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,960
yeah to work for uncle sam in these jobs

1201
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,680
they give you psych tests

1202
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,359
if you're a nut if you're off your

1203
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,280
rocker they're gonna see that

1204
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,960
okay between the background between

1205
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,720
these profiles between

1206
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,599
this that and the other if you're a nut

1207
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:13,119
they're gonna know it

1208
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,040
okay so think about all this weird stuff

1209
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,720
my uncle who had spent decades in the

1210
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,200
intel community was teaching me

1211
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,359
telling me to do at the same time he's

1212
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:24,720
having me apply to these federal

1213
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,599
agencies

1214
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,400
and the wild stuff we haven't even got

1215
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:29,839
to the necromancy the wild stuff i'm

1216
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,480
doing

1217
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,800
while an employee in the national

1218
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,480
security

1219
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:37,119
community trusted with classified and

1220
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,319
all this stuff

1221
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,440
and i

1222
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,440
never had a problem getting a promotion

1223
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,200
i never had a problem getting my

1224
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,960
security clearances continued

1225
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,160
never had any kind of problems um with

1226
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,599
anything and i took lots of psych

1227
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,560
batteries

1228
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,319
and i bring that up because you know

1229
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,599
some people would say

1230
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,680
how in the heck do you get to do all

1231
00:45:02,550 --> 00:44:59,760
those things if there's this nutty stuff

1232
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,560
going on well my point is

1233
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,760
that it's not nutty that there there's

1234
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,760
people in there like he said that it's

1235
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:09,119
very very real

1236
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,040
to them and you know he's

1237
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,880
when he started moving me towards this

1238
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,119
stuff he would say you've got to learn

1239
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,000
how to do this because

1240
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,680
people are depending upon you knowing

1241
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,000
how to do it

1242
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,839
you know and i'm like who and he goes

1243
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,359
never mind that oh yeah

1244
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,960
you know you'll learn that down the road

1245
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,119
but you you need to any fear you need to

1246
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:30,480
get over with so

1247
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,760
anyway so i go to work for the fbi

1248
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,760
there's the two different groups doing

1249
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,920
backgrounds on me

1250
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,720
and uh oh to bring it back to that dream

1251
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,119
so a month before i go visit him

1252
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,040
i have this dream about secret agents

1253
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,240
federal agents at a nasa installation

1254
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,359
hunting a terrorist well the next

1255
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,680
month he has me go turn in an

1256
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,400
application

1257
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,760
to nasa and then

1258
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,359
later in my career i become a federal

1259
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,359
agent and later in my career i very

1260
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:05,040
specifically become a counter-terrorism

1261
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,920
guy

1262
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,160
so you know i've never i mean that dream

1263
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,359
and

1264
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,640
another time the dream happened 3 30 in

1265
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,480
the morning

1266
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,960
um this is before i went to work for the

1267
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,000
fbi

1268
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,160
woke up startled go into the living room

1269
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,680
turn the tv on

1270
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,680
and it's i kid you not it's an episode

1271
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:25,599
of the old 60s series the time

1272
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,359
tunnel and this particular episode the

1273
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,880
first time this happens

1274
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,520
is the one where they go back to uh the

1275
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,800
trojan war

1276
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,560
and there's ulysses and all that stuff

1277
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,400
essentially the story of the iliad and

1278
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,520
remember

1279
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,599
he was having me read the iliad in the

1280
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,760
odyssey in a particular way

1281
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,760
so one of these 3 30 in the morning wake

1282
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:46,960
ups

1283
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,760
and it's a time traveling tv show about

1284
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:50,720
that

1285
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,839
on two or three

1286
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,960
other occasions 3 30 in the morning but

1287
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:03,280
the first time i'm i'm working for the

1288
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,400
fbi

1289
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,880
3 30 in the morning i wake up startled

1290
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,440
turn the t

1291
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,280
by this time i'm like okay i'll turn the

1292
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,240
tv on and there's an episode of uh the

1293
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,839
show called branded with chuck connors

1294
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,760
where he was a secret agent

1295
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:18,160
for the us government in the post-civil

1296
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,119
war

1297
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,119
and there's this episode where he goes

1298
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,720
undercover in this group that was going

1299
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,079
to try to assassinate president

1300
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,950
uh my first let's see my first

1301
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,520
few months in manhattan 3 30 in the

1302
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,200
morning wake up it's the episode of that

1303
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:36,559
show the first time

1304
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:40,480
then two years later it happens again

1305
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,839
the same show the same episode

1306
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,839
and it's at the same point in the

1307
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,720
episodes when i turned it on before

1308
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:51,680
wow and it's two years later and then it

1309
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,160
happened

1310
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:54,960
again like a year later so you know he's

1311
00:48:05,829 --> 00:47:55,200
a

1312
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,839
you know kind of like secret service

1313
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:08,160
type gigs on people and i did several of

1314
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,040
those

1315
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,880
kinds of things when i was an asian so

1316
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,119
there was all this all this thematic

1317
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:14,800
weird stuff going on that

1318
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,160
um sounds like

1319
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,720
it's being done on purpose you know just

1320
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,240
think about it this the same

1321
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:24,559
you know the wake up 3 30 in the morning

1322
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,359
compelled to

1323
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,280
watch tv and um

1324
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:32,720
i learned after those years that that

1325
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:33,599
was happening

1326
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,200
that uh one way agents are communicated

1327
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,440
to in the field

1328
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,119
was through that scrawl that's on the

1329
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,200
bottom of the screen that's on the news

1330
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,680
you know well remember the news didn't

1331
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,640
start doing that until after 9 11.

1332
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:51,200
before that a scroll could be

1333
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,000
transmitted

1334
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,920
across the screen but the people

1335
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,359
watching it can't see it unless they

1336
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:57,520
have a decoder

1337
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,599
there turn on the channel at the right

1338
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,200
time they're supposed to

1339
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:06,000
and they turn their decoder on and the

1340
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,599
instructions appear going across the

1341
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,559
screen

1342
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,319
invisible to everybody else you got to

1343
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,680
have the decoder

1344
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,880
so if there's that kind of technology

1345
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,520
i mean you know this business of because

1346
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,960
i've heard other people experiencing

1347
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:20,559
this the being

1348
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:23,599
you know awakened at the same time and

1349
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,079
such

1350
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,040
but um uh so you know there was that

1351
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:28,400
kind of stuff going on but

1352
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:32,240
then came the necromancy

1353
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:36,800
and this was in late or early 91

1354
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:40,960
i was working in manhattan with the fbi

1355
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,800
and he taught me how to use that leather

1356
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,240
string i described

1357
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,990
he taught me he instructed me on a

1358
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:52,559
process

1359
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,920
a method of raising

1360
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:58,000
a dead spirit to get information from

1361
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,040
them

1362
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,440
and i was supposed to learn it so that i

1363
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,520
could get information

1364
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,559
from this spirit with specific

1365
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,520
instructions i mean

1366
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,160
he told me okay get some index cards

1367
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:12,240
write this down you know so i sat there

1368
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:12,480
and

1369
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:16,800
gave me the steps basically i was to

1370
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:17,280
find

1371
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,599
um a cemetery that was at least

1372
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,960
150 or more years old so i found

1373
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,599
um an old cemetery i think it's the old

1374
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,319
north port cemetery on long island

1375
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,160
so if there's any long islanders

1376
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,680
listening they'll know exactly where

1377
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,119
that is and it looked like something out

1378
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,200
of dark shadows it's on a hillside

1379
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,599
it's an old colonial era cemetery

1380
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:40,400
there's the

1381
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,440
the old flinty broken headstones some of

1382
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,200
them are tilting and they're scraggly

1383
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,359
trees you know it just it's wonderful

1384
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,800
you know it's again it's like something

1385
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,040
out of a classic hammer horror film

1386
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,480
and uh you know i was to pick a female

1387
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,880
because being male and you know female

1388
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,760
agents or

1389
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,680
youth necromancers would use a male

1390
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,040
ghost and

1391
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,240
um i had to consider the name

1392
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:06,480
i had to try to make sure that i had

1393
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,359
someone who

1394
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,280
looked like they were an english speaker

1395
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,800
and he told me he says now the problem

1396
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,800
you're going to have is you get back 150

1397
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,760
years or more

1398
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,680
you might get somebody who's english you

1399
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,520
have a hard time understanding

1400
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,800
because the way they spoke english so

1401
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,040
he said he goes i know you studied

1402
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,400
french in high school in college he goes

1403
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,240
you might want to take up french again

1404
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:28,079
because french was very common back

1405
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,440
during the colonial era

1406
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,119
you know which it was because french was

1407
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,960
the international language if i'm not

1408
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,839
mistaken during that time and so i

1409
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,599
picked a woman who had died in the early

1410
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,040
1800s

1411
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,000
and there i was i you know would go out

1412
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,319
at this prescribed time

1413
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,119
doing the prescribed things and he told

1414
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,200
me he says look it's going to start

1415
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:52,000
you might see like a little hazy light

1416
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,119
it goes then you'll

1417
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,960
you'll you know you might hear some

1418
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,280
noises essentially when it happens

1419
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:59,440
when she appears to you you'll initially

1420
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,559
just see bones

1421
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:03,040
standing there like a skeleton he says

1422
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:03,680
then

1423
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,520
you'll see her recompose so the uh

1424
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,680
you know her rotted flesh will recompose

1425
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,200
on the bones and then

1426
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,240
it'll it'll ins it'll go from decomposed

1427
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,920
back to the living flesh

1428
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:18,079
and i was supposed to pick someone who

1429
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,119
died

1430
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,720
um whose lifespan was older than i was

1431
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,440
at the time

1432
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,480
like you know i was 28 years old

1433
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,559
27 28 years old at the time i was

1434
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,760
supposed to pick somebody who you know

1435
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:31,119
died at 50 or whatever

1436
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:34,960
because he told me the dead spirit

1437
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,079
will attune her appearance to the age

1438
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,280
i am when talking to her so i would see

1439
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:43,359
what she looked like at 27

1440
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,960
28 you know when she's talking to me

1441
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,960
and you know he's telling me this and

1442
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,200
i'm like uh

1443
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,960
is this kind of is this is there

1444
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,720
anything scary about

1445
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,880
you know hearing the big bad fbi guy you

1446
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:58,559
know so is there anything scary about

1447
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:59,520
this you know

1448
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:02,559
and he says he goes initially it it

1449
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,119
might be

1450
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,200
because you're you're disturbing their

1451
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,119
rest you're pulling them back

1452
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,800
into a body that they haven't been in

1453
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,119
for a while and it goes it it he goes

1454
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,720
it aggravates the hell out of him he's

1455
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:14,400
from the south so it aggravates the hell

1456
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,960
out of him

1457
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,119
you know and uh he goes they go she

1458
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:18,720
might try to scare you to get you to

1459
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:19,359
stop

1460
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,280
he goes your knees might give out

1461
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,040
you might be shaking and i'm like going

1462
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,040
oh hell no you know

1463
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,280
i mean i'm still i still have been

1464
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,119
unable to watch the entire movie of the

1465
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:32,800
exorcist because that creeps me out so

1466
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,520
much so here

1467
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,839
you know he's telling me this crap and

1468
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,760
i'm like oh he goes but you stand there

1469
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:40,000
you stay there and you know there was

1470
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,359
this i can't remember what the words

1471
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,640
were i'll have to dig it out but there

1472
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,920
was this parole

1473
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,680
this certain thing that you know it

1474
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:47,440
wasn't like an incantation it was more

1475
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,000
like a

1476
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,400
way to command and he goes then he goes

1477
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:52,160
look when she realizes you're not going

1478
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:52,720
to give up

1479
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,599
she'll calm down and then basically

1480
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,520
she'll ask you what you want to know

1481
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:00,640
you know and uh he told me

1482
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,920
you know you can ask that she would be

1483
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,640
able to see

1484
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,920
in seven year increments

1485
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,559
as far back as you want to go about

1486
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,000
anybody you want to know

1487
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:15,040
and he even said ahead he says now

1488
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,400
he goes i wouldn't recommend you do it

1489
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,839
now but you know down the road you get

1490
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:19,119
more experience more comfortable with

1491
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,920
this he goes

1492
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,040
they'll show you how you're going to die

1493
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,200
okay i'll afford that one i don't need

1494
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,200
to see that you know just yet but but he

1495
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,800
said it was possible so

1496
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,400
so he gave me this instruction and i

1497
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,800
would be out there

1498
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,480
on the nights i was supposed to be out

1499
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,720
there trying to make contact now for the

1500
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,720
record i never saw the hazy light

1501
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,799
i never heard any voices oh i even did

1502
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,720
the thing where he said now look during

1503
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,240
the winter months it goes particularly

1504
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,839
where you're living it's wet and cold it

1505
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,880
goes it doesn't work

1506
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,040
very good then he says so what you need

1507
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,880
to do this summer

1508
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,440
is gather some i mean this sounds like a

1509
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,799
again a hammer horror film

1510
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,160
you know it sounds like van helsing it

1511
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,839
goes go out there and gather some dirt

1512
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,079
from the grave some soil from the grave

1513
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,640
and you know grind it up and uh you heat

1514
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,599
it in the oven

1515
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,200
this many degrees and you keep doing

1516
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,799
that until it's a fine powder and he

1517
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,079
goes keep that in a little bottle or

1518
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,079
something i kept it in a spice bottle

1519
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,160
and he said you know you pour a little

1520
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:13,599
bit in your palm you go to your

1521
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,119
your your door your entry to your house

1522
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:19,440
it goes and you you blow that dust it's

1523
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,160
almost like

1524
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:22,160
voodoo you know you blow that dust in

1525
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,440
the doorway it goes then you do your

1526
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,960
focusing and it goes she'll come to your

1527
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,319
doorway i'm like oh

1528
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,640
oh you know it's bad enough me going out

1529
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,040
to a cemetery at night doing this

1530
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,880
do i really want these ghosts you know

1531
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,960
zooming up to my door hey walter

1532
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,280
you know and he he would he would kind

1533
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,799
of he'd be like you got to get over the

1534
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,760
scared stuff

1535
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,200
this is where he said you know people

1536
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:43,359
are depending upon you knowing how to do

1537
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:44,400
this

1538
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,160
and um but i never saw

1539
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,280
or heard anything overt and

1540
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,640
you know there were times where i

1541
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,960
wondered okay is this just a big joke

1542
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,480
there's some guy with a camera

1543
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,920
and they're having a good laugh it's

1544
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,640
like okay the the boy takes instructions

1545
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,960
he does what he's told hahaha we got him

1546
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,040
out here in this cemetery what a jackass

1547
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,119
that that did cross my mind what's

1548
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,640
interesting was

1549
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,480
later when i was in the air force at

1550
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,760
wright patterson

1551
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,760
the apartment i lived in uh quite

1552
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:15,280
frankly there was something else there

1553
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,000
was someone else

1554
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,799
there with me a ghost and i was

1555
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,880
convinced and i had initially heard that

1556
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,319
an air force guy

1557
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,799
had committed suicide in that apartment

1558
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,680
complex

1559
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,280
just a couple of years before i got

1560
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:29,359
assigned there so i assumed

1561
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,559
oh my gosh i i got this guy's apartment

1562
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,720
and uh it was never anything that scared

1563
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,240
me it was

1564
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,240
interestingly i just felt the presence

1565
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:40,160
but it never did anything to bother me

1566
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,799
so

1567
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,000
i um i've been very as you might imagine

1568
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,799
i'm very cautious with psychics and and

1569
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,720
seers and stuff like that in fact i'm

1570
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,680
hard on them

1571
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,440
i make them tell me because there's so

1572
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,440
many fakers out there

1573
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:56,799
and when i find one that i trust um

1574
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,680
you know i i will go to that person and

1575
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:01,599
ask him things and long story short

1576
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,920
i told her um this this one lady jessica

1577
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,480
about this ghost and i told her that i

1578
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,559
thought it was the guy who um committed

1579
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,920
that i was told had committed suffering

1580
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,760
she goes oh no no she goes

1581
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:16,240
this is this person's female and you

1582
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,349
and immediately i thought oh my god is

1583
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,200
that the lady i was communicating with

1584
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,240
on long island

1585
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:29,839
right five years ago or yeah five or

1586
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:32,480
yeah it was five years prior and i

1587
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,440
thought

1588
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:36,960
oh wow so nothing overt happened

1589
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,920
but did i attach her to me well for the

1590
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,280
longest time

1591
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,480
i was thinking it was her but then when

1592
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:46,079
i started getting into the empire of the

1593
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:47,440
wheel stuff

1594
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:50,799
the the the the i began to wonder

1595
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,000
if it wasn't the woman

1596
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:56,319
who is the center of the empire the

1597
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:57,040
wheel

1598
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:01,280
investigation but you can see

1599
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,119
and i'm still not sure but

1600
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,839
i mean i'm an fbi employee i i go on

1601
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,599
from there to be a federal agent for the

1602
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:11,200
air force i'm i'm in the national

1603
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,839
security

1604
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,000
community and here's my uncle teaching

1605
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,920
me essentially necromancy

1606
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,079
and telling me i gotta learn this stuff

1607
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,160
and know know how to do this stuff

1608
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,760
and um i

1609
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,359
because of the weird things that had

1610
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,359
been happening to me anyway

1611
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,559
all my life i i would i went along with

1612
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,400
it you know i'm like okay

1613
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,359
you know nobody trust your mentor yeah

1614
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,880
well yeah and people you never give me

1615
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,640
any reason not to

1616
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,520
right right well that's that's kind of

1617
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,200
the point i want to make is like

1618
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,760
it i i find it interesting that your

1619
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,359
uncle would always say

1620
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,640
people are expecting this of you

1621
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,040
he was you know he was moving the goal

1622
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,400
post forward

1623
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,480
as you started to unravel all of this

1624
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,760
stuff deep in

1625
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,119
kind of the shadows of what you were

1626
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,839
doing um as opposed to what you're doing

1627
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,040
on the surface

1628
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:05,280
which is very interesting yeah i still

1629
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,240
had my

1630
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,160
i was i was doing that counter

1631
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:10,160
intelligence counter espionage i mean

1632
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,119
all that sexy

1633
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,920
federal agent fbi stuff yeah and

1634
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,280
expected you know

1635
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:18,160
to to do this stuff and and remember um

1636
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,280
as i said he was an

1637
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,079
expert handler when i learned how to do

1638
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:23,760
asset handling myself

1639
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
basically the the art of and i i don't

1640
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,880
mean this in the evil sense but the art

1641
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,240
of manipulating

1642
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,960
other people to do your bidding so to

1643
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,440
speak

1644
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:36,799
i mean um i i realized oh

1645
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,520
wow the the methods and tactics he was

1646
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,359
using on me and it's just like

1647
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,440
bravo because it just worked beautifully

1648
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:46,319
he he knew how to work me

1649
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,760
man well okay so you hit on a couple key

1650
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,760
words that i would not be doing my

1651
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,200
ufological duty

1652
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:56,240
if i didn't ask walter um your special

1653
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,880
agent

1654
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,799
with the air force during your time at

1655
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,960
wright patterson you had your uncle

1656
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:02,640
guiding you along the way

1657
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:06,079
he knows people he probably like a lot

1658
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,440
of intelligence people

1659
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,200
knows a lot more than he's letting on

1660
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,200
and he wants to see where you take it

1661
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:14,079
um so i have to ask during right pat

1662
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:15,440
your time there

1663
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,640
i mean did you find out anything

1664
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,280
was there a craft there from roswell

1665
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:22,960
wright-patterson is like

1666
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,280
that place for us in the ufo field as

1667
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,960
opposed to like area 51

1668
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,720
right pad is where a lot of people think

1669
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,400
all this stuff is going on so

1670
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,599
i i gotta ask man there are specifics or

1671
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,920
generals is there anything ufological

1672
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,119
you came across

1673
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:44,309
what what i

1674
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:48,640
came away with from right pat directly

1675
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,240
was that it it

1676
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:55,280
it explains why i say

1677
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,400
that i think 90 of what people are

1678
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,640
reporting as ufos

1679
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,880
is either some type of classified

1680
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:04,079
military

1681
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:08,000
or aerospace engineering world

1682
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,400
technology being developed that's why i

1683
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,319
that's where i came to this 90

1684
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,079
percentile thing because

1685
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,200
the nature of what i was seeing you know

1686
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,400
the fact that they are always 20 years

1687
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:24,319
ahead of what they're admitting to

1688
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:27,680
okay um some of the detailed nature of

1689
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:28,319
some of the

1690
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,000
the things i saw really convinced me

1691
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,040
this this is why when people say uh we

1692
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,720
couldn't possibly have such and such

1693
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,160
kind of technology i i

1694
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:41,040
disagree like uh you know you don't know

1695
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,160
what they're working on

1696
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,720
and there's all sorts of factors that um

1697
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,160
go into

1698
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:48,319
you know when people describe something

1699
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:49,520
uh i mean

1700
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,880
dating back to the 50s they they have

1701
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,119
witness testimony has demonstrated that

1702
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:56,960
people in their excitement will say

1703
01:02:00,870 --> 01:02:00,240
it was going you know 20 gazillion miles

1704
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:00,880
an hour

1705
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:03,839
you know and and yet when they actually

1706
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,880
look at the uh

1707
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:07,280
the evidence the data they have very

1708
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,000
often

1709
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,640
um determine now the thing was actually

1710
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,520
going

1711
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:14,480
several hundred miles per hour of course

1712
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:15,119
but

1713
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:18,960
it it it's it's still within the range

1714
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:22,640
of what uh was being developed

1715
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,839
of of what was um you know the

1716
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,640
technology

1717
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,160
what was pushing the envelope at that

1718
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:29,839
time not in every case but

1719
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,920
but in a lot of it so um the point is

1720
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,280
people see something

1721
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,920
that they don't think their military

1722
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,000
would have

1723
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,240
right and in excitement of what they're

1724
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,680
seeing

1725
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:46,400
details can exaggerate i mean this this

1726
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,599
is just a fact

1727
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:49,520
that's why you have the protocols of

1728
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:50,640
asking the questions and

1729
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:52,000
that's why you have people describe

1730
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:53,440
something over and over again because

1731
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:54,559
you need to note

1732
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:57,039
any changes in that or you're trying to

1733
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,920
help them you know

1734
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,440
get back to you know get a little bit

1735
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,240
more down to what they really saw

1736
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:04,240
you know all sorts of factors you have

1737
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:05,280
to consider

1738
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,559
um so i was working with

1739
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,319
classified technology every day because

1740
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,079
when you're uh it's no secret

1741
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,599
that the us government and the us

1742
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,520
military conducts

1743
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,520
double agent operations what's secret

1744
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,880
about that are

1745
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,880
who the double agents are and the

1746
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,119
specifics of what they're

1747
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,799
there's this stuff called passage

1748
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,400
material what they're using

1749
01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:28,559
it's the specifics that are classified

1750
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:29,920
that i and others who've done that

1751
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,839
cannot talk about

1752
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,760
certain tradecraft you just aren't going

1753
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:35,520
to talk about because it's still being

1754
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,400
used

1755
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,799
but the the the general fact that we do

1756
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,760
these things i mean

1757
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,839
people write about that you know

1758
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:43,680
non-fiction and fiction you know all the

1759
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:44,640
time

1760
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:49,280
um so because i was doing that work

1761
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:53,359
i had to be i was personally familiar

1762
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,319
with the the

1763
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,160
what is passage material when you're

1764
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,440
gonna run a da

1765
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,520
you essentially the double agent is

1766
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:01,039
going to a foreign intelligence service

1767
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,480
and saying gosh darn it i hate my

1768
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:04,319
country or i'm mad at my country or gosh

1769
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,880
darn it

1770
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,960
i'm i'm in a financial bind and i want

1771
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:09,039
to sell you this classified information

1772
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,640
you know and you know the foreign

1773
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,720
intelligence service goes oh

1774
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,000
and and they want to get into a

1775
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:16,160
clandestine relationship with you okay

1776
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,599
well we'll help you out here but you

1777
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,440
need to bring us more and that's what

1778
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,680
me a guy running a d.a wants to hear

1779
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:23,520
it's like oh okay they believe you're a

1780
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:24,799
d.a it's all a

1781
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:29,200
you know you're a double you know and um

1782
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,799
so when you're running those kinds of

1783
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:32,480
ops you have to

1784
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:35,760
select and provide that agent that that

1785
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:38,000
double agent guy with the passage

1786
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:39,520
material so

1787
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,839
most of this stuff is real information

1788
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:43,039
it could be tweaked

1789
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,799
so that they don't quite get the right

1790
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:46,559
thing or it could be

1791
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,359
it was we took the technological

1792
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,799
development in this direction

1793
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,359
it was a dead end so now we're off in

1794
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:54,960
this direction but we're gonna use this

1795
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,839
dead end

1796
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,440
right as pastor's material but it's

1797
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:58,880
still classified right

1798
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:02,559
and it still has some value and um

1799
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:06,000
so i'm seeing things that i still won't

1800
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:06,720
talk about

1801
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,160
technology wise now was i seeing flying

1802
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:11,760
saucers that

1803
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,799
no that that's not what i saw uh

1804
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,440
i'd venture to say nobody saw that kind

1805
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,359
of stuff despite what you know some

1806
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:20,720
people like to say

1807
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,000
but you do see stuff

1808
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,319
that could lead to that kind of

1809
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,920
technology

1810
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:30,000
you know i did see stuff that remember

1811
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:30,960
this was in the mid late

1812
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,319
90s second half of the 90s i wonder now

1813
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:37,200
how far they've developed what i saw 25

1814
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:37,920
years ago

1815
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,000
see and that that's why again when i

1816
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,480
some stuff i see i go you guys that's

1817
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,640
not from another world and

1818
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,079
those of you who are saying we couldn't

1819
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:49,839
possibly have anything like that boy are

1820
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,760
you wrong but you can't say anything

1821
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,960
about that

1822
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:54,480
i heard something recently read

1823
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,079
something recently

1824
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:58,240
where this particular thing was

1825
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,079
described

1826
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:03,200
i'm reticent to say you know it

1827
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,799
i just don't want to connect it with you

1828
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:06,319
know um

1829
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,440
anyway there's this particular

1830
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,520
particular technology it's a it's a

1831
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,200
drone type of technology

1832
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,160
and it was described as uh it gets it

1833
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,319
gets deployed before

1834
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,400
the first aircraft come in and strike

1835
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:22,319
okay

1836
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:25,680
and i learned about that i was told

1837
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:26,559
about that

1838
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:29,839
in um 94

1839
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,960
or 95 in kind of a hush-hushed

1840
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,880
kind of conversation with a superior

1841
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,000
officer

1842
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:39,200
who was doing more secret sneaky deaky

1843
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,680
stuff

1844
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,720
and um i needed to know a part of it for

1845
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,079
what i was doing

1846
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,880
and um that was just something you just

1847
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:48,400
didn't talk about and i just

1848
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,960
recently saw um this thing

1849
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,200
these orbs something that was like in

1850
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,200
the shape of an orb or a sphere

1851
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:59,280
that it was described as you know this

1852
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,400
gets deployed

1853
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:03,119
ahead of the aircraft the strike crown

1854
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,640
and

1855
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,880
you know there's people that say oh

1856
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:08,319
they're cutting possibilities

1857
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,760
that's silly that's ridiculous and i'm

1858
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:11,440
thinking well i heard about that

1859
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:15,119
while in the air force um 25

1860
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,280
you know years ago or more so yeah we we

1861
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:22,319
are having stuff like this so on my

1862
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,000
official duties now also

1863
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:27,520
um you'll like this when i first became

1864
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,760
an

1865
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,599
agent okay yeah i already had a

1866
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,839
top-secret sci clearance with the fbi

1867
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,839
because of what i was doing so what

1868
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:35,039
happens is when you get

1869
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,319
when you translate over into the

1870
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:39,119
military job you you bring with you your

1871
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:39,520
level

1872
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:42,400
and then they add to it your accesses

1873
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:44,079
and your clearance levels that you need

1874
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,720
for your

1875
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,799
new job as an agent so this was kind of

1876
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,960
funny we had in our class a guy who

1877
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,480
he and i kind of bumped heads a little

1878
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:52,240
bit he was he was going to be super

1879
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,039
agent

1880
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:55,119
and you know he was just all ego and

1881
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,319
stuff a younger guy

1882
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,400
and so we go over together to the vault

1883
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,319
this is in la when we're new agents

1884
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,319
and um we go over to the vault to get

1885
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:04,079
our our briefings

1886
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:07,359
and uh there's a room full of air force

1887
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,400
people there they give

1888
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:11,359
the first level briefing and then they

1889
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:11,920
say

1890
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:14,559
with the exception of colonel so-and-so

1891
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,680
major so-and-so

1892
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,359
uh master sergeant-so-and-so blah blah

1893
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,120
blah blah and special agent bosley the

1894
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:20,880
rest of you were dismissed

1895
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,679
and this guy i'm with he's like oh you

1896
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,120
get to stay i'm like yeah i'll

1897
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:27,120
see you back at the office and i

1898
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,480
remember i'd already been in this world

1899
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:30,080
in this community for six years he was

1900
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:31,679
brand spanking new to it

1901
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,520
so uh they briefed the next level

1902
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,040
and they say okay with the exception of

1903
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,440
colonel so-and-so major so-and-so

1904
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,120
and special agent bosley all of you are

1905
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,440
dismissed so then we go to the you know

1906
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:45,600
this next level and finally i'm the only

1907
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,640
guy there

1908
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,159
you know getting you know additional

1909
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,400
levels

1910
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,719
yeah i go right back to the office and

1911
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,319
i've been over there for an hour

1912
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,480
and this one agent he goes oh did you go

1913
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,080
to lunch or something i'm like

1914
01:09:01,269 --> 01:09:00,000
no i just finished he goes you were in

1915
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,279
the vault the whole time like

1916
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:04,000
yeah it says how many levels at what i'm

1917
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,440
go

1918
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:07,759
now you know better than to ask me that

1919
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:08,719
yeah

1920
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:13,040
i tell that story um because

1921
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:17,520
the way you're briefed on these levels

1922
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,799
it's not like you're sitting there and

1923
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:20,239
they're telling you these are all the

1924
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,440
secret programs

1925
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,719
up to this level these are all the

1926
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:25,120
secret but no no no no

1927
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,960
they they brief you to be cleared to be

1928
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,799
exposed and learn about those as you

1929
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:31,920
need to know them

1930
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:34,960
but the way they tell you is this

1931
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:40,000
interesting um uh kind of template

1932
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,080
and when i look back on it i realized

1933
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,719
not real soon after that i realized wait

1934
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:48,400
a minute

1935
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:52,159
on a particular level the way they gave

1936
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:52,560
the

1937
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:56,400
kinds of things

1938
01:10:00,950 --> 01:10:00,000
i would be exposed to i was briefed into

1939
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:00,960
a level

1940
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,470
and what happens is

1941
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:10,719
when you go to work on something they

1942
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,840
they see what level

1943
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,520
okay yeah you're up to this level then

1944
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,520
they read you in on the program

1945
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,159
you know up to that level and you know

1946
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,679
that's when you learn specifics but

1947
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,960
what's interesting is

1948
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:23,520
the stories my uncle told me now this is

1949
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,960
what gets into

1950
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,800
i'm describing to you there you know how

1951
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:28,239
to get the you know the how the

1952
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,960
clearances

1953
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,280
work and the briefings work and and how

1954
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:32,880
the job worked and the stuff i learned

1955
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,719
on the job while i'm on duty then

1956
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:36,159
there's the stuff i learned from my

1957
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:36,960
uncle

1958
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,320
when i'm having you know in private time

1959
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,320
and these are the things that it's late

1960
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,120
at night i'm down in his territory

1961
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:47,120
and he says come on let's go for a walk

1962
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,480
and we go walking around his

1963
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,320
neighborhood walking a big circle around

1964
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:52,480
his neighborhood at like midnight

1965
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,840
and he's telling me um

1966
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,760
he's telling me about uh well i'll tell

1967
01:11:03,990 --> 01:10:59,520
you you know uh

1968
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:04,000
in 97 he told me about uh

1969
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,239
how many uh et groups we were in contact

1970
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:09,840
with

1971
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:13,040
um he was telling me about how you know

1972
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:13,600
our

1973
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,760
not an exchange program like that serpo

1974
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,199
stuff that popped up later

1975
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,239
but but just kind of a

1976
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,080
you you meet them and you learn their

1977
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:27,600
stuff and you know we

1978
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:30,640
we teach them ours and

1979
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:33,040
i have no way to verify this i never saw

1980
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:34,080
this in a file

1981
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:38,239
i never witnessed it myself this is all

1982
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,760
you know what he told me but

1983
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,679
the reason it resonated with me the

1984
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:45,360
reason i'm telling you is

1985
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:48,640
it would it would fit

1986
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:52,000
within the clearance template

1987
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,840
that i got in that briefing now

1988
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:58,640
people say well he was pulling your leg

1989
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,280
that time

1990
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,960
just wanting to see how much you believe

1991
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:02,239
and that is possible because there's

1992
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,800
this little

1993
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:04,400
issue called inking the waters which

1994
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:08,159
i'll explain in a minute but um

1995
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:12,480
one reason you would get told something

1996
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,120
out of the office right in private time

1997
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:19,520
would be for the possible deniability

1998
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:20,239
see

1999
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,400
so if you go running your mouth on

2000
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:25,120
something you're not supposed to

2001
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,199
well i didn't get that briefing through

2002
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,920
osi i didn't sit in an air force vault

2003
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:30,960
and be told that

2004
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:33,840
no i was told that by you know my uncle

2005
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:36,880
walking around at midnight you know

2006
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,679
so it could be questioned right if i'm

2007
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,640
running my mouth

2008
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,480
they could say well that's bs because

2009
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,679
you know your uncle told you

2010
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,239
and you know it's like oh okay plausible

2011
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:48,320
deniability tell you some of the wilder

2012
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,120
stuff

2013
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:51,120
in an informal setting so it could be

2014
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,560
denied if you run your mouth because

2015
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:54,239
they're always testing if they can trust

2016
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,480
you

2017
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,880
now let's jump to the other possibility

2018
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,480
that yeah of course he was telling me a

2019
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:00,880
load of [\h__\h] well that's where the

2020
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,000
inking of the waters comes in that is

2021
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,480
okay we want to test this guy to see if

2022
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,080
we can bring him to the next level of

2023
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,679
trust in our operations

2024
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,360
so here's what we'll do we'll give him

2025
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,760
this a unique little piece of

2026
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,280
information that we know

2027
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,120
these particular details we've only told

2028
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,360
him well tell him you know keep it to

2029
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,960
yourself it's close to vest don't talk

2030
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:21,920
about this

2031
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,920
and if the specific things we told him

2032
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,760
start showing up and what other people

2033
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,520
are talking about or shows up in a news

2034
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,960
report or something like that

2035
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,719
then we know we can't trust him because

2036
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:34,480
we told him not to say anything about

2037
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:34,960
that

2038
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,080
you know

2039
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,679
you drop that ink in the water and you

2040
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,600
see where it ends up um

2041
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,920
so if you if you're a good soldier so to

2042
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,600
speak you don't

2043
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,520
you don't run your mouth about it you

2044
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:49,280
just keep it to yourself like you were

2045
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:50,159
told to

2046
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,840
and then that tells them they can trust

2047
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:54,000
you for that next level which may not

2048
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:54,560
have

2049
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:57,679
anything to do with such

2050
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:00,800
spacey spooky things it's all just

2051
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:04,000
uh and testing your gullibility could be

2052
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:05,199
part of it remember

2053
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,040
i said he was a master handler so

2054
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,239
you eventually get to this point where

2055
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:14,239
you have presence of mind enough to go

2056
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,520
okay

2057
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:18,239
what's the bs you know where am i

2058
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,199
pulling my leg

2059
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:21,520
what's the truth because you've had

2060
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:23,679
enough personal weird experiences

2061
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:26,960
that you don't dismiss the weird right

2062
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,320
so you're kind of like if i hadn't had

2063
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,840
these weird experiences i would think

2064
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:33,280
this is just a bunch of crazy nutty

2065
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,400
stuff he was telling me

2066
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:37,040
just to test me but i've had all these

2067
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,719
other weird experiences for several

2068
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:40,880
years now so

2069
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:44,480
if this isn't a load of nonsense

2070
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:48,239
holy smokes this this must be true

2071
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,360
and you know

2072
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,560
um wow yeah

2073
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,960
yeah it just it it's and and that's the

2074
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:58,480
world you work in that's

2075
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:01,040
where you know you in your head space

2076
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:01,600
and

2077
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:05,600
my situation

2078
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:08,239
there were legitimate bona fide strange

2079
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:09,040
things happening

2080
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,640
you know so let me ask you let me ask

2081
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,440
you this walter um

2082
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,640
so i know you know there's always eyes

2083
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,719
watching the other watching the other

2084
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,800
watching the other with all of this

2085
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:26,560
stuff you were digging into

2086
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,800
in your private time um i would assume

2087
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:32,880
somebody other than your uncle was kind

2088
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:35,760
of keeping an eye on you

2089
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:38,560
did that ever come up did anyone ever i

2090
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,199
guess

2091
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,840
you know approach you and be like yo

2092
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:42,960
bosley

2093
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:45,600
quit raising spirits from the dead and

2094
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,080
in terri

2095
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:48,400
like never that never happened okay no

2096
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,800
one ever approached me and ever said

2097
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:53,520
you're into weird stuff or what never in

2098
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:54,400
fact

2099
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:57,760
um the only time i ever encountered

2100
01:16:01,189 --> 01:16:00,880
people who who were clearly they it was

2101
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,199
more

2102
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,040
they were watching out for me and i was

2103
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:05,040
pretty convinced they knew my uncle

2104
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,800
you know because obviously he couldn't

2105
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,480
be everywhere at once but he he

2106
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:10,159
he would have associates because

2107
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,840
sometimes they would mention

2108
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:13,840
something weird i mean there was this

2109
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,960
one guy

2110
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:17,040
who was when i was a new agent he came

2111
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:18,719
in to do some of our training

2112
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,840
and um i was convinced that he was

2113
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:23,520
somebody who who knew my uncle

2114
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,719
when i got to la air force base um

2115
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,719
you know during my career whether i was

2116
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,320
fbi or air force or whatever this was

2117
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:31,920
the days before everyone had cell phones

2118
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,960
at all

2119
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,880
i would you know go to a pay phone to

2120
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,400
call my uncle every friday

2121
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,679
because he didn't want me calling from

2122
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,040
home because he didn't want my wife

2123
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,040
knowing that i was making these calls

2124
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,040
this was business you know secret

2125
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,880
classified business you know

2126
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,280
and um we weren't doing anything that

2127
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:48,480
would piss her off but

2128
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,520
you know um so uh uh

2129
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:53,679
one day i had i'd been at la air force

2130
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,560
base for

2131
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:56,560
less than two weeks and i'm making my

2132
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,920
report and and

2133
01:17:01,430 --> 01:17:00,000
he says uh he says i know you've been

2134
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:01,440
over to the bx there's a

2135
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,040
there's an older african-american

2136
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:05,040
gentleman there kind of tall big guy and

2137
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,480
he described him to a t

2138
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:09,360
he knew his name i said yeah he goes

2139
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,960
yeah you just met him last week right

2140
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,080
i'm like yeah

2141
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,159
he says he's a friend of mine we were on

2142
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,159
the army boxing team together

2143
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:18,000
and he told me he says if anything

2144
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,520
unexpected happens

2145
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,360
and you can't get in touch with me the

2146
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:22,880
kind of thing you'd need to contact me

2147
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:25,679
goes you can go to him he's trusted i'm

2148
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,640
like okay

2149
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:28,080
and he would do things like that he

2150
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,679
would tell me

2151
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:31,920
who i could go to you know or i would

2152
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:32,800
have

2153
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,400
people who would pop up in my life that

2154
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,199
just kind of i could tell you know with

2155
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,120
the things we talked about and

2156
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:43,199
you know little interesting things they

2157
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,239
would do

2158
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:47,280
um told me uh okay yeah

2159
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,800
he's probably affiliated with my uncle

2160
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,120
and and and and the connections would be

2161
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,640
you know they're they this person was

2162
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:56,640
either also military intel

2163
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:59,679
or you know where they said they lived

2164
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:01,520
was real close to where he lived and

2165
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,159
they were

2166
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:04,560
you know though you begin to get good at

2167
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,360
okay

2168
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:07,440
yeah this so he would have people

2169
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:08,719
watching out for me

2170
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,440
and so that's the only experience with

2171
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:12,800
what you described i would have i

2172
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:15,679
never had anybody and like i said i

2173
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,640
always got

2174
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:18,719
moved forward and upward i never there

2175
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:20,800
was never a problem with any promotions

2176
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:23,280
or anything so you know that further

2177
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,159
convinced me

2178
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:26,960
uh okay you know and and my uncle wasn't

2179
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,679
wrong there was

2180
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,679
i met you know some of the older guys in

2181
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,760
counterintelligence in the fbi and

2182
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,199
i would have interesting conversations

2183
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:34,960
with them it's like oh

2184
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,640
wow okay they're into you know one guy

2185
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,880
who was a big wig in fbi

2186
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,280
counterintelligence back in the 80s was

2187
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,320
really into tolkien and and and

2188
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:49,040
um you know all sorts of interesting

2189
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,159
stuff and he was a

2190
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:53,199
counterintelligence guru you know

2191
01:19:03,189 --> 01:18:56,960
for for the fbi and um they teach you

2192
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,270
they they they jokingly call it the

2193
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,960
sixth sense but they said

2194
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:09,120
you will get because they said you'll

2195
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,239
develop

2196
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,000
the knack for because you do this enough

2197
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:13,760
you'll develop the knack for um

2198
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,880
anticipation we call it and i

2199
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,159
experienced that

2200
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,480
that early on where you just you're

2201
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:21,760
you're set up in a place

2202
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:23,600
you're expecting and you just get the

2203
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,760
feeling and you you're right you've

2204
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,000
nailed it you've you've

2205
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:30,239
you you've identified your person that

2206
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,760
you're looking for

2207
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:34,159
and and you've really got nothing other

2208
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:34,880
than

2209
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:37,440
just that feeling they've shown up at a

2210
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,960
certain time you're like that's got to

2211
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:40,159
be the person

2212
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:44,560
and um early on i experienced that

2213
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,719
and they note that they they'll pull you

2214
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,760
aside and say

2215
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,199
they said you got that it was a weird

2216
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,960
feeling right i'm like yeah it was just

2217
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,679
like i knew

2218
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:54,239
that it was like uh-huh you know that's

2219
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:54,719
it

2220
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,760
and um my

2221
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,760
i had an annoying talent when i was on

2222
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:01,120
the surveillance team

2223
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:04,320
and it's still a talent i have today

2224
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,159
um i'm really good at knowing when

2225
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,880
nothing's going to happen now okay

2226
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,560
you've got a team of people out there

2227
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,000
sometimes you've got an airplane in the

2228
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:15,920
sky which costs money you know the fuel

2229
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:16,560
and everything

2230
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:18,320
you've got a whole team mobilized you're

2231
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,840
expecting the big activity

2232
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,120
and when you got one guy on the team

2233
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:23,280
that says like early on i can usually

2234
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,159
tell us that i'm like

2235
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,840
uh it's not gonna happen what do you

2236
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,199
mean it

2237
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:29,520
nothing's going to happen today and

2238
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:31,520
it'll be true

2239
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,080
like not only does it just a regular day

2240
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,520
it's just like the person doesn't even

2241
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:36,960
go out of the house everybody's sitting

2242
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:37,920
there for nothing

2243
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,440
and i don't know why but i've had an

2244
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:41,360
uncanny annoying ability

2245
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,280
at being able to read the room and just

2246
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:47,199
know that it's like this weird weird

2247
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:48,719
feeling but it's this

2248
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:51,040
yeah it's this premonition kind of stuff

2249
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:52,000
it's this

2250
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,760
it's that weird sixth sense and they

2251
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,760
do you know we mentioned before about

2252
01:21:03,430 --> 01:20:59,360
people that are recruited

2253
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,440
they they do they look for people who

2254
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,600
as near as they can tell might have some

2255
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,960
type of natural

2256
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,639
you know i'm by no means the only guy i

2257
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,239
am not special in that

2258
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:13,520
there's you know they look for that and

2259
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,480
um

2260
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,159
you know each person you know your

2261
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:18,400
mentor gets you to develop it

2262
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:22,560
and uh and my mentor was right i

2263
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,679
i can get spooked the unseen world the

2264
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:27,360
paranormal world there's things in it

2265
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,000
that are very

2266
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:31,120
scary and i take it very seriously and

2267
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,239
um you know the the one thing

2268
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:37,199
that has always bothered me is the

2269
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:38,000
concern

2270
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:41,920
of crossing paths with something demonic

2271
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,719
something that you know means me harm um

2272
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,719
that that one bothers me he even told me

2273
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:51,120
he says you're worried about possession

2274
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:54,800
and i remember responding yeah

2275
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,719
i'd rather i'd rather you know you kind

2276
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,480
of go rodney dangerfield yeah i'd rather

2277
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,040
avoid that you know

2278
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,080
it's you know but i'm like this

2279
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:06,400
well and we've heard that that like you

2280
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:08,639
know people like leslie kane and

2281
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,679
luis elizondo have said that there are

2282
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:14,000
factions within the intelligence

2283
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,360
agencies or

2284
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,440
department of defense or the government

2285
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:19,360
overall who

2286
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:22,080
vehemently think these things could be

2287
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:22,560
like

2288
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,600
demonic in terms of ufos paranormal all

2289
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:27,280
that kind of stuff

2290
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,560
okay what what really some

2291
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,480
what blew me away back and i think it

2292
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,239
was 2010 when nick

2293
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:36,000
redfern came out with his final events

2294
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:37,760
book the one the first book i believe to

2295
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:38,000
talk

2296
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:41,679
about this so-called collins elite yeah

2297
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:44,880
he's describing what his source

2298
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,000
is telling him that that

2299
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:50,320
his guy who's a member of this group the

2300
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,360
collins elite

2301
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:53,120
describing what this so-called collins

2302
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,719
elite is and essentially

2303
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,960
it's this group of federal agents

2304
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:58,159
primarily from

2305
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:01,040
military branches that was founded get

2306
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,719
this in 1952

2307
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:05,440
there's a loaded year right in the ufo

2308
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:06,400
annals

2309
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,320
they're founded in 1952 and

2310
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:13,120
yeah these were the guys that um now

2311
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:13,679
they

2312
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:20,880
secret but formalized in 52. these were

2313
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,679
guys

2314
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:24,080
who had interviewed jack parsons before

2315
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,520
he died

2316
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,840
and these are the guys who like you're

2317
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,120
saying

2318
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:31,840
there's a faction of this group that

2319
01:23:35,790 --> 01:23:32,639
believes

2320
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,800
the the the there are demonic

2321
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,320
extraterrestrials were you know posing

2322
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:39,760
as extraterrestrials

2323
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:41,920
and that this kind of stuff has

2324
01:23:47,229 --> 01:23:44,320
something to do with it this in my mind

2325
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,239
would be mostly uh in the the

2326
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,480
inter-dimensionals

2327
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,639
category right because i like you and i

2328
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,760
i believe there are

2329
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,840
extraterrestrial civilizations all over

2330
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,280
the universe okay

2331
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,480
and um but i i think

2332
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:01,120
they're on to something with you know

2333
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,000
because parsons

2334
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,040
and hubbard uh believed it you know

2335
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:07,199
parsons believed that he had opened the

2336
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:08,320
gate and that's what

2337
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,360
roswell was about you know and then but

2338
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,199
so you had these guys messing with that

2339
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,040
and this group the collins elite

2340
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,760
so here we are in 2010 nick redfern's

2341
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,679
describing from sources what this group

2342
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,120
is and i'm sitting here reading this my

2343
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,280
jaw's dropping because

2344
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,760
everything they're describing describes

2345
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:26,719
what i know

2346
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:31,520
of my uncle's career to a t and

2347
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,480
my career to a t i mean i i've been

2348
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,320
mentored by a guy who's teaching me all

2349
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:38,400
this paranormal stuff

2350
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,000
i become a military agent okay

2351
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:44,639
i'm taught necromancy i'm taught all

2352
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:45,040
this

2353
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,719
you know i'm eventually taught you know

2354
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,040
remote viewing um

2355
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,239
and and it just it fits

2356
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,400
and it just gives me goosebumps and i'm

2357
01:25:01,590 --> 01:25:00,070
okay my uncle was telling me

2358
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,600
you need to learn how to do this stuff

2359
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:03,199
because there's people expecting you to

2360
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:04,560
know how to do it they're depending on

2361
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,199
you

2362
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:07,920
and he's being real secretive about this

2363
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,280
whatever this group is

2364
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,719
i uh to right now

2365
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,199
i'm convinced until i learn you know

2366
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,800
some data otherwise

2367
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,400
that my uncle was grooming me for

2368
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:20,800
whatever this collins elite is

2369
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,400
hmm he passed away in 2016.

2370
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,239
so i know i was gonna ask if he was

2371
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,000
still around yeah yeah i'm not

2372
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:31,120
i'm not able to press him on this or or

2373
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:32,320
flat out ask him

2374
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:36,400
but um it it's i i suspect

2375
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,400
that that's what he was grooming me for

2376
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:43,120
all right well with everything you've

2377
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:44,080
come across

2378
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:47,120
walter whether it was in you know the

2379
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,320
surface level

2380
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,960
positions that you held or um the stuff

2381
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:52,000
you were looking at

2382
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,000
on the side um alien abductions

2383
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:58,320
i want to get your thoughts on this

2384
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,360
because uh

2385
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,760
there are a lot of people out there who

2386
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,080
who claim that it's not only

2387
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:07,199
aliens doing this but the military might

2388
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,000
be involved

2389
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,719
we have this like concept of military

2390
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:11,600
abduction

2391
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:15,040
staged pilots and stuff yeah so

2392
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,040
i gotta ask and this isn't something i

2393
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,639
ever tackle on the show

2394
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:20,400
um it's a little out of my wheelhouse

2395
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:22,639
but in all of your research with what

2396
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:23,600
you've done

2397
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:26,320
um have you ever come across an alien

2398
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,120
abduction

2399
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:29,600
first of all that you think is authentic

2400
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:30,159
and

2401
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:36,560
into this mylab thing at all

2402
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,600
okay on the my lab thing uh

2403
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:42,080
it's it's well and on the alien

2404
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:43,360
abduction thing too

2405
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:47,040
on abduct in abductions in general

2406
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:49,760
i don't buy every story we hear because

2407
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,239
you know

2408
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,280
and we know why unfortunately

2409
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:55,280
whether people are trying to just pull

2410
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,280
off a hoax or just defraud people or

2411
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:01,040
they they don't mean anything bad but

2412
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:02,480
they just kind of want to be part of the

2413
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,040
fun

2414
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:05,280
you know whatever reason people will

2415
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,239
make things up

2416
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,960
we know that and i i think most of us

2417
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:10,400
are pretty good at when we're hearing

2418
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,120
something that

2419
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:13,600
um that just doesn't sound you know

2420
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:14,560
authentic right so

2421
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:16,880
in in a general sense i think there's a

2422
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:18,239
lot of stories out there where

2423
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:21,920
where it's hogwash but

2424
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:25,760
i think these abductions

2425
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:28,639
some of them have happened i think in

2426
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,199
general

2427
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,360
this has happened it can happen on the

2428
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:32,400
my labs thing

2429
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:37,040
um i think it has happened because

2430
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,040
i think we all see whether you've been

2431
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,639
in the military or not i think we all

2432
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,080
see and aware that

2433
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,080
how they could do that right with the

2434
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:45,840
with the resources they have available

2435
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,719
to them and the

2436
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,719
you know operational tactics and things

2437
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,159
you you could see

2438
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:54,000
how um a military unit could do that

2439
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,199
so um you know

2440
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:00,080
under certain circumstances yeah i'm

2441
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,239
going to say it has been done because

2442
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,719
you know i'm familiar with for instance

2443
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,719
you guys have heard of rendition

2444
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,880
right extraordinary rendition in the

2445
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,400
intel world when you

2446
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,639
you know pick grab a suspect or one of

2447
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:14,560
their associates off the street

2448
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:17,280
you know and you you're abducting them

2449
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,159
essentially

2450
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:21,280
right um or however you know you get

2451
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,679
them

2452
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:24,080
we know that extraordinary rendition is

2453
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,960
a real thing

2454
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,880
uh the agency got in trouble for that if

2455
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,960
you recall that was all over the news

2456
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:31,120
some years back so we know that's a real

2457
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:33,760
thing and that's a much more

2458
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,199
casual version of what's described in

2459
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,040
these my lab situation so

2460
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,360
the fact that i could easily see how it

2461
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,440
could be done and i can think of reasons

2462
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,199
it would be done

2463
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:48,239
um i think that it probably has been

2464
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,960
done

2465
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:51,360
but i don't buy every story i hear same

2466
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:52,400
with the

2467
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:56,239
alien abductions i don't buy every story

2468
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:56,880
i hear

2469
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:59,679
so um you know it just it's kind of a

2470
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,639
case-by-case

2471
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,960
thing it's not a main part of any

2472
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:03,840
research i've done

2473
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,239
so i don't really have any off the top

2474
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:07,679
of my head that i go oh

2475
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:09,760
but if like we were to go through them

2476
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,000
and it was one i was familiar with i go

2477
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:14,000
oh yeah i think that is or oh no i don't

2478
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:14,800
think that is

2479
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,000
you know that right well like well

2480
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,960
with the mylab thing uh why do you think

2481
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,480
there would be a reason for them to do

2482
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,560
that if you're willing to comment in

2483
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,520
that

2484
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,560
well um it could be similar to why they

2485
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:30,320
do extraordinary renditions

2486
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,360
um said person might

2487
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:36,480
have you know proposed

2488
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:39,760
some type of concern if not a threat so

2489
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:40,639
they want to

2490
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,600
get to that person before they take

2491
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:45,600
whatever action that they fear they're

2492
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:46,400
going to take

2493
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:49,199
that that's just one possibility another

2494
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,480
possibility is

2495
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,880
maybe some type of really advanced

2496
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,800
technology was being tested

2497
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:57,360
but there was some danger about being in

2498
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,440
the proximity of it like radiation

2499
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:01,920
which uh has happened in a couple of uh

2500
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,880
michael schratt

2501
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:05,520
has has got a book on kendall right now

2502
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,560
and he recently

2503
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:08,880
uh talked about it in a talk where you

2504
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,719
know he went through the details and

2505
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,320
there was this family that

2506
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,320
it looks like they were exposed because

2507
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:16,000
the radiation they had and it was some

2508
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:17,840
type of military technology well

2509
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,199
i could see a my lab team uh

2510
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:23,440
scooping somebody up in an instance like

2511
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:24,719
that

2512
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,239
security purposes

2513
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,000
you know kind of on the spot or what

2514
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,239
have you to

2515
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,320
examine the person you know to see okay

2516
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,320
what's the extent of this

2517
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:38,560
okay what do they remember what do they

2518
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,440
know now

2519
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,600
um here's what's interesting is some

2520
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:42,960
people describe

2521
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:45,840
all sorts of weird things like the the

2522
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:46,880
operatives will

2523
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,719
walk through a wall or something like

2524
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:49,920
that well

2525
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,280
my mind goes back to we know in mk ultra

2526
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:56,400
back in the 50s and 60s they had already

2527
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:57,120
developed

2528
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,280
an aerosol lsd so if in the 50s

2529
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,920
they could spray an aerosol lsd that

2530
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,360
would get people loopy

2531
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:08,400
you know um imagine what they can do

2532
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:12,480
since just the year 2000 with um

2533
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:15,520
some type of hallucinogenic injected

2534
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,159
into your

2535
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,800
breathing environment okay so that

2536
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:20,080
you're in an altered state of

2537
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:21,520
consciousness so it looks like that

2538
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:22,719
team's walking through the wall and

2539
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:24,000
they're not really walking through the

2540
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:24,719
wall but

2541
01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:26,320
you know you're having that kind of

2542
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:27,760
psychedelic experience

2543
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:30,239
and maybe they've refined it so well

2544
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:32,719
that you can't tell that you're high

2545
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:35,840
right yeah um uh

2546
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:39,440
and and you know if they can do that

2547
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:42,880
we know that um you know there have been

2548
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,000
developed

2549
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:46,480
by cia and other you know government

2550
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:47,760
labs and stuff

2551
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:52,400
um other means to alter your perception

2552
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:54,560
and so if they're wearing some type of

2553
01:31:57,990 --> 01:31:55,840
protective suit

2554
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:58,000
and they've used these other means well

2555
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:59,920
that can be interpreted to be any kind

2556
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:00,880
of thing

2557
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,040
and and you never know they could play

2558
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:04,719
mind games like

2559
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:07,040
you know it's some type of oxygen mask

2560
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,840
but hey

2561
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:09,199
let's paint the thing to look like an

2562
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:11,040
alien face because

2563
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,480
we're going to have this person under

2564
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:14,400
the influence they're going to describe

2565
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,440
an alien face

2566
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:17,520
plausible deniability right there you

2567
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:18,960
know so everyone's going to think

2568
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,320
they're crazy yeah

2569
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:22,800
yeah so what my my point is you can go

2570
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:23,600
back and see

2571
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:25,920
all these kinds of things that the that

2572
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:28,239
the military and the cia were

2573
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:30,880
developing as far as the perception of

2574
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,080
people

2575
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:34,159
you know um involved with whatever

2576
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,760
they're doing and how they messed with

2577
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,960
their perception

2578
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:38,639
and you look at the history of that and

2579
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:39,920
then you look at the things people are

2580
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:41,679
describing in my labs

2581
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:44,639
and you realize oh okay yeah these teams

2582
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:45,920
could be employing

2583
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:47,760
there could be an electronic signal

2584
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:48,960
technology

2585
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:51,600
that messes with your perception i mean

2586
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:53,280
they've already got that crowd control

2587
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,880
stuff that

2588
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,480
i'm shocked that we didn't see that

2589
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,400
deployed in the last

2590
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,400
four years to be honest it's that it's

2591
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:02,320
like that thumper technology

2592
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,639
it's the the brainwave thing that makes

2593
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:06,480
people collapse and throw up all over

2594
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:07,760
themselves and it's just

2595
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,120
it's got off all these things and yet

2596
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,199
this stuff was developed 10 or 15 years

2597
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,199
ago for crowd control stuff

2598
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,199
i'm i'm really shocked we didn't see

2599
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:19,199
that deployed in the last five years i

2600
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:19,600
mean

2601
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:22,880
seriously it's kind of weird and um but

2602
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:23,280
but

2603
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:24,480
you know they're developing things like

2604
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,280
that so um

2605
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:29,120
but my lab situations where again if

2606
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:30,239
you're exposed to something and they

2607
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,360
need to examine you

2608
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:33,360
if they if they take you for whatever

2609
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:35,040
reason is some type of threat or concern

2610
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:37,040
they need to you know

2611
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,320
get close to you and get you off the

2612
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:40,080
street or whatever i i could see that

2613
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:43,199
um you know maybe you did

2614
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,040
see something you weren't supposed to

2615
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:46,560
see

2616
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:49,520
and you know they they want to do

2617
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,000
something

2618
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,040
to make you doubt what you saw or or

2619
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:56,400
under sedation they um

2620
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:58,000
they're able to ask everything they need

2621
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,360
to ask and then when you come out of it

2622
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:01,920
you don't remember the interrogation

2623
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:04,159
yeah that's possible too so it it could

2624
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,280
be those are just

2625
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,280
a few examples off the top of my head i

2626
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:09,120
can think of um

2627
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:12,159
and there certainly be more yeah that's

2628
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:13,760
totally fair yeah um

2629
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:16,800
well little side track from that

2630
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:19,440
question walter um

2631
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,320
we've heard that there have been spooks

2632
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:24,000
and we've heard this for years

2633
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:27,199
um at these ufo conferences mining

2634
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:28,239
information

2635
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:31,679
um is this is this true

2636
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,520
have you ever come across someone doing

2637
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:35,760
that or being at conferences

2638
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:40,320
yeah yeah i've witnessed it um

2639
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,960
i've gone to co i went to conferences as

2640
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:44,320
an osi agent and

2641
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:47,119
observed now i was looking for specific

2642
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:48,080
things

2643
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,679
i i was looking for foreign nationals

2644
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,840
i had nothing the reason i was there had

2645
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:55,440
nothing to do with american flying

2646
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:56,960
saucer enthusiasts because i'm one of

2647
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:57,840
them too

2648
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:01,040
you know believe me i'm there you know

2649
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:02,960
as an agent and i'm looking for specific

2650
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:04,560
things that are national security

2651
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:05,040
related

2652
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:06,480
but the other half of me is going oh

2653
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:07,760
listen to this guy tell this flying

2654
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:09,280
saucer story it's totally cool yeah

2655
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:10,639
you know because i'm a flying saucer

2656
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:12,960
nerd too so you know it was perfect but

2657
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,080
yeah so um

2658
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:17,040
and i've been at other events where you

2659
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,239
know i'm 99

2660
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:20,239
sure the guys i pointed out you know

2661
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,679
anybody that's been in the military

2662
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,520
around military people it's no joke we

2663
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,119
make a joke about it but

2664
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,040
you really can tell by the way they

2665
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,440
dress and the haircuts

2666
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,440
and stuff you you can tell the guys that

2667
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,920
aren't like undercover guys

2668
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:36,000
it's hilarious to some you know with

2669
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,440
some of them but even the ones that

2670
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:39,679
aren't the overtly nerdy guys

2671
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:42,080
you know i'm usually pretty good at

2672
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,280
telling okay yeah

2673
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:45,840
that guy is probably you know what i

2674
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:47,040
think is and then there's

2675
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:49,520
some behavior that like backs that up

2676
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:50,159
you know

2677
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:53,360
yeah uh so that makes sense

2678
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:55,920
yeah and it does make sense for you know

2679
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:57,920
because think about it what if you have

2680
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,800
take um take a guy like you know well

2681
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:01,600
our

2682
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:04,800
mccandlish

2683
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:07,600
um who passed away a couple of months

2684
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:08,320
ago

2685
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:11,040
uh let's say some let's say he's when

2686
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:12,000
he's talking about the

2687
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,920
arv that he did the drawing for and

2688
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:15,920
everything or he's talking about some

2689
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:18,320
you know specific ufo that was witnessed

2690
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,040
let's say that what he's talking about

2691
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:22,400
really is something

2692
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:25,040
that was a classified craft being talked

2693
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,679
about

2694
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:27,360
and let's say this is the first time

2695
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:29,360
he's talked details about it in public

2696
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,080
forum right

2697
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,800
well yeah you're gonna have your your

2698
01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:34,400
air force or your navy

2699
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:37,520
you know guys or whoever whatever branch

2700
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:40,000
this owns this thing

2701
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,679
they're gonna have their guys there to

2702
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:43,760
watch the talk and to take the details

2703
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,239
and say

2704
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,400
okay you know you come back and you say

2705
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:47,760
write up your report it's like

2706
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:49,360
yeah this is how much he knows because

2707
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:50,960
this is what he described this is what

2708
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,000
it looks like

2709
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,840
you know so and and that's not a

2710
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,440
sinister thing you're just going there

2711
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:57,840
to attend and see what this researcher

2712
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:58,320
knows

2713
01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,080
you know and you're just going to report

2714
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,239
that so you can figure out okay

2715
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:04,400
how did that get out or oh gee gosh darn

2716
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:05,600
we got to be more careful

2717
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:08,719
that kind of thing um you know

2718
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:12,639
uh so there's there's legitimate reasons

2719
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,239
for these people to be at these events

2720
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,360
um but it's not so much uh

2721
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:21,840
nefarious but like i assume they show up

2722
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:22,639
at at

2723
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:26,000
tech conferences or uh

2724
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:29,760
spy conferences you know like that

2725
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:32,000
the spy tech type of industry yeah

2726
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,800
they'll go

2727
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:34,080
because sometimes you go there and it's

2728
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:35,840
like oh is there anything we can use you

2729
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:36,639
know

2730
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:39,199
yeah or you run into every person you've

2731
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,159
ever worked with

2732
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:43,119
yeah yeah yeah guys you know like oh

2733
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:44,560
you're working for them now but yeah

2734
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:47,440
it's there's legitimate non-nefarious

2735
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:48,400
reasons

2736
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:50,400
for these people to show up now some

2737
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,679
people

2738
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:53,440
look i i get it you know when you're a

2739
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,880
civilian you've never been in that world

2740
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:55,840
my uncle told me

2741
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,679
before i started my career he goes look

2742
01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:58,960
uh he goes

2743
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,159
um get comfortable with your

2744
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:03,679
you're never really going to have true

2745
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:05,440
privacy he says

2746
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,560
you know just get comfortable with that

2747
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:09,040
so it never bothered me i mean to this

2748
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:09,679
day if

2749
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:12,400
if they were watching me i because i

2750
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,639
ain't doing anything that

2751
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:17,600
you know i wouldn't cop to you know yeah

2752
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:18,239
it's like i

2753
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:21,520
i i'm i'm a regular boring guy you know

2754
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:23,360
i research my weird stuff i have my

2755
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:24,639
weird sense of humor so

2756
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,560
i don't worry about it but you know i

2757
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,400
get it there's folks that

2758
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:30,880
you know just the idea that agents like

2759
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:32,719
that would show up at a ufo conference

2760
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,119
and

2761
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:35,040
you know be making notes say oh oh

2762
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:36,639
that's that's that's not right they

2763
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:37,119
should be

2764
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,960
open about that but you know you never

2765
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:40,800
really know why they're there

2766
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:44,080
and that that mystery you know

2767
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:46,080
that i get it that kind of makes people

2768
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,280
nervous

2769
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,760
you know do you uh when you have things

2770
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,600
like the dodie situation and all that in

2771
01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:52,480
the mix

2772
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:54,400
you know you go okay yeah you know that

2773
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,239
doesn't help

2774
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:58,960
right right and i know we got the dodie

2775
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,440
stuff

2776
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:01,520
in the other one so we won't go into

2777
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:02,880
that um well

2778
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:06,000
do you ever walter do you ever worry

2779
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:09,360
that someone you have um targeted

2780
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:13,280
or um double crossed in the past

2781
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,639
ever like finding you or like

2782
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:18,880
coming back for revenge or anything like

2783
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,560
that

2784
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:23,600
the only concern

2785
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:27,040
um that i i've have to keep an eye out

2786
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:27,760
for

2787
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:30,639
would be from my counter terrorism days

2788
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:31,440
and

2789
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:34,719
uh you know my family because of what

2790
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,679
i've been into

2791
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:38,080
you know professionally for years they

2792
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:39,760
they're they have certain instructions

2793
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,159
like

2794
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,400
when i was overtly an agent a

2795
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,239
badge-carrying gun-toting agent you know

2796
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:45,760
i had to tell him look

2797
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,560
if we're ever out somewhere and and you

2798
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:50,960
know some guy comes in to rob the place

2799
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:53,199
you keep your mouth shut you don't panic

2800
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,000
and say walter

2801
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,400
shoot him because it's my discretion as

2802
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,639
to whether what i will do but just

2803
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,480
just because i have a gun and a badge

2804
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:01,760
just keep your mouth shut essentially

2805
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:02,639
anyway that's a

2806
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:04,560
that's a different kind of thing but in

2807
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:06,159
in because i worked in you know the

2808
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:07,199
spook world

2809
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:10,639
you know i told them to always tell me

2810
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:14,159
as immediately as possible if

2811
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:17,360
anyone they know or particularly a

2812
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:18,800
stranger but even if it's someone they

2813
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:19,360
know

2814
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:22,320
if if a foreign-born foreign national

2815
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:23,679
person they know

2816
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:26,239
starts asking questions about me just

2817
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,360
please

2818
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:30,239
let me know as soon as possible and no

2819
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:30,960
don't talk

2820
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:33,840
my career don't brag about you know your

2821
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,000
brother's this your sons that

2822
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:38,880
just you know be polite and be keep it

2823
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,440
vague but if it's a foreign national

2824
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,760
i have to know about it you know as

2825
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:45,600
immediately as possible

2826
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:48,800
um that

2827
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:52,400
i mean yeah that's happened where

2828
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:55,280
uh you know one sibling couldn't resist

2829
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,560
you know blah blah blah blah blah

2830
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:58,239
blah my brother and one of these times

2831
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:00,320
it was a it was a foreign national guy

2832
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:01,920
who had a past in there and

2833
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,880
i'm like oh so you know i i and i

2834
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:06,639
explained to my family said look

2835
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:10,239
um when you do this um i have to report

2836
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:11,119
it

2837
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:17,119
just don't talk about me you know around

2838
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:18,880
these folks and and the reason i have to

2839
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:19,360
do that

2840
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:22,480
is you know yeah just in case

2841
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:25,119
you know somebody were to come here

2842
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,080
looking for

2843
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,679
you know group of people or certain

2844
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,440
individuals or whatever now

2845
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:31,520
has that happened in you know

2846
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:32,960
specifically with that

2847
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:37,520
in that way no um and honestly the

2848
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:39,520
the farther you get away from your

2849
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:40,719
operational time

2850
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:43,920
the less likely you know right it's

2851
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,719
usually

2852
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,960
it's a concern while you're doing that

2853
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,159
work big time

2854
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,800
and right after you stop for a while but

2855
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:52,400
the farther you get away so

2856
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:56,000
i left that work now oh it's been 15

2857
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,360
years now

2858
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,679
so you know the farther i get away from

2859
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,440
it um

2860
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,760
and i don't have any deep dark uh you

2861
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:05,920
know like you see in the movies where

2862
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:09,199
you know ivan is going to come at me for

2863
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,920
you know yeah and kidnap my dog and my

2864
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,719
mom and

2865
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:14,639
you know i i don't have to be like liam

2866
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,400
neeson you know i mean we do have

2867
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,639
a particular set of skills i mean and

2868
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:20,000
all joking aside

2869
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:23,520
it's uh i if i had to well i

2870
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:26,000
look anybody i'm not special anybody

2871
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:27,360
with my experience level

2872
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,600
okay no matter how old you get if

2873
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:31,679
something came up and i had to

2874
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:34,800
disappear and i i still know how to do

2875
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:35,520
that stuff

2876
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,520
i mean i could i could just completely

2877
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:41,679
get away and where no one would be able

2878
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,800
to find me

2879
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,840
um you know because that's just it's

2880
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,600
easier than you think

2881
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:49,360
you know when you've been in that and

2882
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:52,080
there's um like if i'm traveling

2883
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:56,719
outside the country um i can go

2884
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:00,719
to certain places

2885
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,520
and it's not it you know i can go to

2886
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,040
certain places

2887
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:08,080
a certain name and that say everything

2888
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:09,440
and then i would be brought into

2889
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:10,400
sanctuary

2890
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:13,840
so to speak um so you know there's that

2891
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,280
and um like uh uh i want to be traveling

2892
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:18,960
with my son and my nephew here

2893
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:21,040
soon you know when things settle down

2894
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,719
and open up more and stuff

2895
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,000
they've never been anywhere i'd like to

2896
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,000
take them to south america or europe but

2897
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:28,320
i mean i will before we go i'll be

2898
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,280
instructing them

2899
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,400
on you know you will

2900
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:35,199
listen to what i say about safety things

2901
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,840
um

2902
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:38,320
should something happen your your ears

2903
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,000
are open your mouth is shut you'll do

2904
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:41,760
exactly as i say

2905
01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:45,679
um you know and i'll i know i will

2906
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:47,440
always know where certain things are

2907
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,760
like

2908
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:49,280
i'll always know where the embassy or

2909
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,800
the consulate or this office or that

2910
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,679
office is

2911
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:53,440
you know should something happen that

2912
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:54,960
kind of thing so

2913
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:57,760
um you know there's there's there's

2914
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:58,560
always that

2915
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,480
and that can be not just because you

2916
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:02,639
know there's someone after me

2917
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:05,840
but it's it's knowing how to operate

2918
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:09,360
that much safer because i've operated

2919
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,159
you know in many places around the world

2920
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:14,480
so i kind of know how to

2921
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,840
i know how to get to safety um you know

2922
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:20,400
should should anything happen and that's

2923
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:21,360
useful

2924
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,639
you know that's oh god man i can imagine

2925
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:27,360
i mean a like you're the buddy i want to

2926
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,560
travel with now

2927
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:30,639
knowing you know exactly where to go if

2928
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,320
anything goes down and b

2929
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:34,639
if i don't hear from you for three

2930
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,360
months

2931
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:37,440
at a time i'm gonna be like bosley's

2932
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,520
back on the job

2933
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,960
i'm not gonna assume he's dead somewhere

2934
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:42,719
but you know i i wanna say this

2935
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,760
though i wanna say this 90

2936
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:48,320
of staying safe you know like that and

2937
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:48,800
travel

2938
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,159
you 90 of it is just it it's

2939
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,040
all how you you've traveled it's all how

2940
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:56,960
you behave it's all how you carry

2941
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:58,000
yourself it's all

2942
01:45:01,430 --> 01:45:00,159
your situational awareness you know the

2943
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,440
big thing i tell

2944
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:03,119
our fellow americans who have never

2945
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:04,480
traveled before i go

2946
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:07,679
don't be the ugly american because

2947
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:08,560
you'll be a lot

2948
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,560
safer if you don't be an idiot

2949
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,800
don't be emblazoned with the american

2950
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:16,080
flag on your clothes

2951
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:18,719
oh my gosh don't you know hey i'm from

2952
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:20,159
america

2953
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:22,000
don't do that because you're not at

2954
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,360
epcot

2955
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:25,040
you're going to places where this is

2956
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:26,560
this is the real world this is where

2957
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:28,159
these people live this is their home you

2958
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:29,600
know you're not at epcot

2959
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:32,080
not at disneyland you know this isn't an

2960
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:33,040
amusement park

2961
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,960
you know and just be kind of low-key

2962
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,159
keep it nice

2963
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:38,400
you know and learn how to blend and

2964
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,440
disappear

2965
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,520
yeah i i've got it's funny um for the

2966
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,040
longest time

2967
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:45,280
family members would notice that i had a

2968
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,560
lot of clothes

2969
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:48,800
that are what we call oatmeal you know a

2970
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:51,119
lot of gray and khaki brown or tears

2971
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:51,679
yeah

2972
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,920
because the work i was doing those

2973
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:56,320
colors are hard in a crowd to pick up

2974
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:57,679
you know with the naked eye or if

2975
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:59,520
someone's you know so you kind of

2976
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:01,280
disappear into a crowd a lot easier with

2977
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,719
oatmeal colored clothes

2978
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,800
it was a few years before i got out of

2979
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,080
the habit of buying

2980
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:08,800
those shades of clothes you know now you

2981
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,840
know there's

2982
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:11,520
this isn't an example but i got more

2983
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:13,760
colorful things now because for years

2984
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:15,679
i really wouldn't wear unless i was

2985
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:17,119
wearing a suit in the office

2986
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,320
you know i'd have a little fun with

2987
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:20,320
shirt colors and ties and stuff but

2988
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:22,639
um for years no i wouldn't i wouldn't

2989
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:24,239
wear any bright colors because

2990
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:27,280
i didn't want to be seen you know that's

2991
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:29,760
how you live and i'm still a pi

2992
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,719
a licensed pi so i will take

2993
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:33,920
surveillance

2994
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:37,040
um assignments as i want to you know

2995
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,800
as a specialty and i still have all

2996
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,880
all that stuff but it's all it's all

2997
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:44,159
your demeanor

2998
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:46,159
you know with the traveling 90 of

2999
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:47,920
staying out of trouble and staying safe

3000
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,840
is your demeanor and how you carry

3001
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:51,360
yourself and just your situational

3002
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,159
awareness

3003
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:55,199
you know the other 10 is that that fun

3004
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:57,679
action stuff you might have to do and

3005
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:59,440
and most of the time for regular folks

3006
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:00,000
is just

3007
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:03,119
get to the embassy you know

3008
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:04,960
yep that's the number one rule i love

3009
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:07,199
that man hey well you did mention

3010
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:10,560
disneyland and in a very special bonus

3011
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:11,840
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3012
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:14,159
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01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:15,360
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01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:18,880
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3017
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3019
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,400
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3020
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:28,960
and the crazy things he's discovered

3021
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:29,600
about that

3022
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:37,109
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

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cheers would you mind

3053
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,199
telling us about your own personal

3054
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:49,360
ufo sighting i know you've kind of gone

3055
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:50,800
on the record now and

3056
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,480
and talked about this is that something

3057
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,400
you're willing to share yeah um

3058
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,320
i you know in all fairness to the folks

3059
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:57,760
who are spending the money to buy the

3060
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tickets to contact in the desert which

3061
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:00,000
i'm a speaker

3062
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,920
of for the first time next weekend

3063
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:04,560
online um my workshop

3064
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:07,040
goes into greater detail and i'll go in

3065
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:08,159
here because you know

3066
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:10,159
people are buying that extra ticket and

3067
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:11,360
i i don't want to

3068
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,760
you know have them do that and then i

3069
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:15,199
you know share everything but i'll

3070
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,400
gladly talk about

3071
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:18,560
you know the the basics of it that i've

3072
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:19,599
already talked about

3073
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:21,679
you know publicly um for the first time

3074
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,639
in my life

3075
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:25,440
after you know as i told you for decades

3076
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,159
i was a

3077
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:28,480
you know a ufo enthusiast like all you

3078
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:29,199
folks

3079
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:32,880
and um finally in december of 2014

3080
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:35,920
i have my ufo experience

3081
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:39,679
and um i have

3082
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,440
uh my uh i have my son who lives in la

3083
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:45,840
but then i have my adopted kid liliana

3084
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,599
and she and her boyfriend live here at

3085
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,280
the house and

3086
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:52,000
he's a chef so you know he'd work at

3087
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:52,719
restaurants

3088
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,239
he's working out in palm springs works

3089
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:56,480
at night and he came in late one night

3090
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,239
it was around 11 30

3091
01:50:01,830 --> 01:50:00,560
and he came in kind of excited he says

3092
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:01,840
come out here and look at this

3093
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,040
this thing and i'm thinking oh okay

3094
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:08,000
he he's you know seeing a helicopter or

3095
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:08,880
a

3096
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:26,560
is this hovering thing

3097
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:30,080
which has a flat bottom and a dome top

3098
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,599
and um inside there's this illuminated

3099
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:35,199
rotation

3100
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,840
there's kind of this dynamic glow but

3101
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,000
there's this even rotation

3102
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:44,239
and i run back in and get my camera you

3103
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:45,760
know because we always talk about you

3104
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:47,040
know you don't have your camera you know

3105
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,560
presence of mind about the cell phone i

3106
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:50,080
had that would have sucked so i go in

3107
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:50,960
and get my

3108
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:54,159
my digital camera and i start getting

3109
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:54,960
this thing

3110
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:57,440
on on video and it stays right there now

3111
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,880
he explained to me

3112
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,880
that when he got off the freeway which

3113
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,960
the exits about a mile from our house

3114
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:05,360
and he was turning towards our

3115
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:07,440
neighborhood he saw this thing moving

3116
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,320
over the neighborhood from a basically

3117
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:12,719
northwestern direction from our

3118
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,679
our street and as he's driving towards

3119
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:17,280
the house he said he's seeing this thing

3120
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,080
move and he says

3121
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:19,920
this that's moving towards you know like

3122
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:21,440
the area where we live

3123
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:23,040
and sure enough he came down the block

3124
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,639
and he sees it there right in front of

3125
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,480
the house or i'm sorry right above the

3126
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:27,679
house

3127
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:29,199
and that's when he parked and ran in and

3128
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:30,800
got me so i

3129
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:32,480
what i did was i try to have the

3130
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:34,159
presence of mine of an investigator

3131
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,119
researcher

3132
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:38,560
so before i comment on the object

3133
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,000
that i'm getting on camera that we're

3134
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,400
both looking at i say okay

3135
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:44,800
describe to me visually exactly what

3136
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,080
you're seeing

3137
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,239
and that was to ensure that he was

3138
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,000
seeing what i was seeing

3139
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:52,639
i wanted to make sure that i was not you

3140
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,119
know

3141
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:55,679
enhancing any anything and he explained

3142
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:56,320
exactly

3143
01:52:02,709 --> 01:51:59,520
you know flat bottom of dome

3144
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:02,719
that's anything about this time

3145
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:07,040
this thing starts dumping this molten

3146
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:10,639
liquid substance that looks white hot

3147
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,280
just starts dumping it over one side i

3148
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:15,760
mean a profuse amount of this

3149
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:18,639
and then it starts moving away i mean it

3150
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,239
had come from the northwest it starts

3151
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:22,400
moving in a south by southeastern

3152
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:25,520
direction and we kind of had a low cloud

3153
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:27,440
coverage

3154
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:30,719
that had moved in that night and it

3155
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:31,520
eventually

3156
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,679
as it got which is probably

3157
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:37,760
about a sixteenth of a mile from us

3158
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:39,040
about maybe

3159
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:42,080
three city blocks from us there's a

3160
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:45,520
um a like a small lake or pond

3161
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,960
in one of the gated communities and um

3162
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,880
about the time it passed over that and

3163
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:53,119
was dropping the stuff then it

3164
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:54,960
very soon after that kind of disappeared

3165
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,520
into the cloud coverage

3166
01:53:01,510 --> 01:53:00,159
and when we looked at the video it was

3167
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:01,520
really disappointing

3168
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:04,560
but uh uh so we looked at the video

3169
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,119
and um i'm gonna show you know those

3170
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:09,199
images at contact in the desert and i

3171
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,880
think i can email them to you if you do

3172
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:12,880
any kind of visual posting

3173
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:15,119
uh you know associated with the

3174
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:18,000
interview but um

3175
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:21,119
what i captured on video was not as

3176
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:22,560
clear as what we were looking at with

3177
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,679
the naked eye

3178
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,679
it looks farther away now i don't know

3179
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,599
if you recall when we're in nova scotia

3180
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:29,040
i think the subject came up

3181
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:32,400
greg and i talked about it before about

3182
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:33,199
how

3183
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:36,960
these things seem to be exhibiting an

3184
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:38,159
ability

3185
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:41,679
to mess with our recording devices yeah

3186
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:44,560
not only that but like our perception

3187
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,119
too

3188
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:47,520
yep that's why i asked the other witness

3189
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:48,800
describe to me what you're seeing

3190
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:50,000
because i wanted to know if he was

3191
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,400
seeing

3192
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:52,400
now it would have been fascinating

3193
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:54,000
something different i mean think about

3194
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:55,360
that but we were seeing

3195
01:54:01,750 --> 01:53:59,360
the same thing and um uh

3196
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,760
and and that was that now people say

3197
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:03,599
what do you think it was

3198
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:06,159
well i you know i don't know exactly and

3199
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,239
at the time

3200
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:11,199
uh you know i asked him again okay

3201
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,800
explain to me where you saw it coming

3202
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:13,920
from

3203
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:17,280
well the the general cardinal direction

3204
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:18,719
it was coming from

3205
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:23,920
the northwest that afternoon

3206
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:27,679
i and an associate um had gone out to a

3207
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:28,320
site

3208
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:31,679
northwest from our neighborhood where

3209
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:35,280
i have found years ago when i was

3210
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,639
learning about the empire the wheel

3211
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,760
mystery and all the weird stuff with

3212
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,119
that i had found what looks like

3213
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:42,000
what looks like a mandala painted on the

3214
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:43,440
ground

3215
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,599
on this cement pad on this particular

3216
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:47,440
property i'm reticent to identify where

3217
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:48,320
it's at because it's

3218
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,000
private property and over the years

3219
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:55,199
i had had some interesting experiences

3220
01:55:02,790 --> 01:54:58,639
visiting that site and that day

3221
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:02,800
this november 2000 or december 2014 day

3222
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:05,199
that we of the night we saw the ufo an

3223
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:06,560
associate and i had gone

3224
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:09,760
out to this thing from the northwest and

3225
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:10,000
it

3226
01:55:19,589 --> 01:55:15,440
every line every dimension

3227
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:19,599
and um uh so that night

3228
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:23,119
a ufo appears and it comes from

3229
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:26,639
that direction and then it goes south

3230
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:30,239
easterly from the house

3231
01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:33,679
and it's it has only been recently that

3232
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:36,239
i made what i think is some type of

3233
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:38,159
connection

3234
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:46,550
the shape of the ufo

3235
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:50,000
was identical to the shape of the dome

3236
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,679
top of the integratron the integratron

3237
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:55,599
which i first visited in september of

3238
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:58,159
1987 when a boss of mine where i was

3239
01:56:02,229 --> 01:55:59,199
working

3240
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:02,239
between college and the fbi uh he had

3241
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,280
brought up george w

3242
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,639
van tassel and was telling me about the

3243
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,800
integration and he suggested that i go

3244
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:08,320
out and look at the thing

3245
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:10,400
and that's a story that i've told before

3246
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:11,360
in the past where

3247
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:13,360
i and two friends go out you know to the

3248
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,599
integratron and we have this really

3249
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:17,280
weird experience with these people out

3250
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,840
there that

3251
01:56:20,950 --> 01:56:19,840
seem to be angry that we're there and

3252
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:20,960
one guy

3253
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:22,480
you know after this i became a

3254
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:24,560
surveillance specialist i'm kind of an

3255
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:26,080
expert at it you know

3256
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:30,239
um and looking back i suspected i mean i

3257
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:33,119
felt it was surveillance then i know

3258
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:36,480
it was surveillance but we were followed

3259
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:39,520
out of yucca valley until we

3260
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:41,280
headed back home we were almost reached

3261
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:42,800
the san bernardino freeway and then they

3262
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:44,719
did a ue and leftists so somebody didn't

3263
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:46,000
want us there there was something going

3264
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:46,400
on

3265
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:49,040
first weird experience at the integrator

3266
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:50,560
on and here years later

3267
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:53,599
this thing shaped exactly like that

3268
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:56,000
appears over my house glowing and

3269
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:57,360
dumping this stuff

3270
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:00,400
and it appears at the end

3271
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,520
of the seven year period of my

3272
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:05,599
investigations and research and writing

3273
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,760
about the empire of the wheel

3274
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:09,840
and it you know it appeared from the

3275
01:57:14,629 --> 01:57:12,080
direction of something

3276
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:14,639
that i discovered during my research so

3277
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:15,199
i

3278
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:31,440
stuff

3279
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:34,239
and i'm presently really diving into the

3280
01:57:37,589 --> 01:57:35,360
evidence for that

3281
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:37,599
but i'll be you know sharing more that

3282
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:40,320
at contact in the desert in my workshop

3283
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:43,760
and um so because there's an integratron

3284
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:44,880
association

3285
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,599
george w van tassel there is the

3286
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:48,960
implication

3287
01:57:52,070 --> 01:57:51,599
of an et thing in the background there

3288
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:52,080
because we

3289
01:57:56,790 --> 01:57:55,199
know you know what he claimed he

3290
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:56,800
experienced and where

3291
01:58:00,390 --> 01:57:59,280
you know he believed he got the uh

3292
01:58:02,470 --> 01:58:00,400
instructions

3293
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:02,480
and the inspiration you know for

3294
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:04,719
building the integratrons so

3295
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:07,920
um very often like is the case in this

3296
01:58:12,550 --> 01:58:09,199
ufo world

3297
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,560
you have ets mixed up with technology

3298
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,800
mixed up with the paranormal mixed up

3299
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:16,800
with you know so that

3300
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:19,679
they're they're i really think there's

3301
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:20,560
some type of

3302
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:23,040
fabric there that they're all threads of

3303
01:58:27,990 --> 01:58:24,960
i really do

3304
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:28,000
absolutely some sort of weird string

3305
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,960
theory

3306
01:58:32,229 --> 01:58:30,719
going on with all that well thank you

3307
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:32,239
walter thank you for sharing that

3308
01:58:38,149 --> 01:58:35,679
um well can i um

3309
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:38,159
can i get your thoughts on this now i

3310
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:40,480
know a lot of people are going to ask me

3311
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:43,760
um about richard godi

3312
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:46,800
he is you know the hot button issue in

3313
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:48,400
the ufo field has been

3314
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:51,440
for a long time and um i love would you

3315
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:53,920
mind just kind of running me through

3316
01:58:57,189 --> 01:58:56,400
um you know to your knowledge who this

3317
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:57,199
guy is

3318
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:00,719
uh maybe a little about his um you know

3319
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,760
his involvement with benowitz and um

3320
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:05,520
what do you think of this guy so many

3321
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:07,599
people have like written him off as a

3322
01:59:12,709 --> 01:59:09,520
total diss info agent

3323
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:12,719
and um a horrible horrible evil man

3324
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,960
but um yeah maybe could you kind of walk

3325
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,560
us through the benowitz affair

3326
01:59:20,229 --> 01:59:18,719
um as briefly as you can i know you've

3327
01:59:22,629 --> 01:59:20,239
done it a million times

3328
01:59:25,270 --> 01:59:22,639
yeah what little i know about it um okay

3329
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:25,280
when i was a new agent with osi

3330
01:59:32,470 --> 01:59:29,040
and um i was talking to my boss

3331
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:32,480
says about the project i told you about

3332
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:34,800
the concern for our foreign agents using

3333
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,119
the

3334
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:37,440
american ufo community to get to our

3335
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:38,159
stuff

3336
01:59:41,910 --> 01:59:40,480
um richard doty for the first time i'd

3337
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:41,920
ever heard his name was brought up as a

3338
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:43,280
cautionary tale

3339
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:45,280
they said hey there was this agent agent

3340
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:46,400
richard doty

3341
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:48,400
who embarrassed the air force and pissed

3342
01:59:52,149 --> 01:59:49,440
off headquarters

3343
01:59:53,910 --> 01:59:52,159
and um so you've got to be careful with

3344
01:59:57,030 --> 01:59:53,920
this ufo world stuff

3345
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:57,040
and i said oh absolutely you know

3346
02:00:01,430 --> 02:00:00,400
my project had a definite focus that fit

3347
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:01,440
within

3348
02:00:04,470 --> 02:00:03,360
national security directives it was

3349
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:04,480
aimed at foreign

3350
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:06,719
intelligence agents that kind of thing

3351
02:00:10,310 --> 02:00:08,800
so it was it was very specific

3352
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:10,320
it had nothing to do with messing with

3353
02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:12,320
americans you know lying to americans

3354
02:00:16,390 --> 02:00:13,199
about anything i was

3355
02:00:18,310 --> 02:00:16,400
totally looking at foreign nationals and

3356
02:00:19,750 --> 02:00:18,320
uh he was brought up as the cautionary

3357
02:00:20,229 --> 02:00:19,760
talent that was the first time i'd heard

3358
02:00:24,229 --> 02:00:20,239
about him

3359
02:00:27,270 --> 02:00:24,239
so you know over the years as

3360
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:27,280
in my down time i would be you know

3361
02:00:30,629 --> 02:00:29,040
looking at ufo stuff i would see the

3362
02:00:32,310 --> 02:00:30,639
name pop up and then i learned

3363
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:32,320
you know i had learned about the heard

3364
02:00:37,669 --> 02:00:34,480
about the benowitz thing

3365
02:00:39,589 --> 02:00:37,679
i think first um i had seen a mimeograph

3366
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:39,599
copy of the krista tilton book if you

3367
02:00:42,229 --> 02:00:40,080
recall

3368
02:00:43,189 --> 02:00:42,239
that one that came out that was the

3369
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:43,199
spiral bound

3370
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:46,400
thing and then in 2004 i met

3371
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:48,719
greg bishop at one of david childress's

3372
02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:49,440
conferences

3373
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:52,639
in kempton yeah kempton illinois and we

3374
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:53,520
hit it off

3375
02:00:57,109 --> 02:00:56,480
and at that time around that time um i

3376
02:00:59,669 --> 02:00:57,119
read his

3377
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:59,679
uh book i think yeah it had come out in

3378
02:01:02,790 --> 02:01:00,719
03 or

3379
02:01:04,470 --> 02:01:02,800
one anyway shortly after i met greg i

3380
02:01:06,180 --> 02:01:04,480
read project beta

3381
02:01:07,830 --> 02:01:06,190
and um

3382
02:01:12,229 --> 02:01:07,840
[Music]

3383
02:01:14,709 --> 02:01:12,239
it it's like i told greg

3384
02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:14,719
i said as far as dodie is concerned and

3385
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:16,639
as far as what happened

3386
02:01:20,550 --> 02:01:19,119
with uh this is just to begin with as

3387
02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:20,560
far as what happened

3388
02:01:28,229 --> 02:01:24,880
i kind of reserve certain judgment

3389
02:01:32,709 --> 02:01:28,239
because i nor anyone else

3390
02:01:35,830 --> 02:01:32,719
in our community has seen the osi

3391
02:01:37,510 --> 02:01:35,840
file on the whole bennowitz thing and as

3392
02:01:39,350 --> 02:01:37,520
a former agent and somebody that's been

3393
02:01:42,870 --> 02:01:39,360
in that business i know better

3394
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:42,880
than to cast judgment

3395
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:44,560
when i haven't seen that file because i

3396
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:45,920
guarantee you there's going to be things

3397
02:01:49,830 --> 02:01:46,719
in there

3398
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:49,840
that people would find enlightening as

3399
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:53,040
regards osi and special agent dodi and

3400
02:01:56,149 --> 02:01:54,880
whatever it is he did or didn't do now

3401
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:56,159
that said

3402
02:01:59,189 --> 02:01:57,760
you know when you read the book the

3403
02:02:01,830 --> 02:01:59,199
bennowitz book there's

3404
02:02:03,830 --> 02:02:01,840
obvious things in there that from the

3405
02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:03,840
perspective of a former osi agent i

3406
02:02:08,229 --> 02:02:05,440
looked at and thought

3407
02:02:10,229 --> 02:02:08,239
geez what the you know what's going on

3408
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:10,239
but as i read it and learn more

3409
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:13,280
like most of you you know through greg's

3410
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:15,040
book but coming from my unique

3411
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,599
perspective of having been an insider

3412
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:19,760
i came away from that i told greg this

3413
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:22,159
years ago and i stand by this

3414
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:25,599
people always want to jump to dodie

3415
02:02:31,189 --> 02:02:27,760
because they have a face and a name

3416
02:02:32,149 --> 02:02:31,199
but i really came away convinced that

3417
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:32,159
the culprit

3418
02:02:38,709 --> 02:02:35,440
in the benowitz affair was the nsa

3419
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:38,719
because they were there through the the

3420
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:41,360
worst stuff that was going on that kind

3421
02:02:46,070 --> 02:02:42,719
of drove benowitz

3422
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:46,080
you know um tragically

3423
02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:48,880
you know kind of in a a mental health

3424
02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:50,080
situation

3425
02:03:03,109 --> 02:02:59,750
i can't see them doing

3426
02:03:06,149 --> 02:03:03,119
the things that dodie often

3427
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:06,159
gets blamed for now don't get me wrong

3428
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:07,920
dodie did something because i learned

3429
02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:09,199
that as an agent he did

3430
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:12,159
something that you know pissed off

3431
02:03:15,589 --> 02:03:12,960
headquarters

3432
02:03:17,589 --> 02:03:15,599
and and kind of got him uh as we say on

3433
02:03:19,430 --> 02:03:17,599
the bricks for a while he wasn't an

3434
02:03:20,229 --> 02:03:19,440
agent for a while as my understanding he

3435
02:03:22,629 --> 02:03:20,239
was on

3436
02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:22,639
probation because of of all this

3437
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:23,920
something he did

3438
02:03:28,310 --> 02:03:26,480
so that it indicated to me as an insider

3439
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:28,320
that okay he definitely broke some

3440
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,320
regulation or rules

3441
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:33,360
um but

3442
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,760
um i still looking at what we know of

3443
02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:39,280
that

3444
02:03:46,870 --> 02:03:43,040
i still see the nsa as the culprits now

3445
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:46,880
um as far as dodie since then

3446
02:03:54,830 --> 02:03:50,560
and now you could look at it

3447
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:54,840
one of two ways

3448
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:57,920
uh yes he could still be somehow

3449
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:00,639
affiliated

3450
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:03,840
um in being directed or aimed at the

3451
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:05,040
community

3452
02:04:11,589 --> 02:04:08,639
um for some reason there there could be

3453
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:11,599
multiple reasons it could be

3454
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:15,440
to misinform the community to deflect

3455
02:04:17,589 --> 02:04:17,199
their attention off of something they

3456
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:17,599
want

3457
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:20,880
attention deflected off of or to um

3458
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,840
manage the perception of a particular

3459
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:25,360
piece of technology

3460
02:04:31,030 --> 02:04:28,639
uh easier to let people think it's men

3461
02:04:32,229 --> 02:04:31,040
you know spaceships from another world

3462
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:32,239
than for them to

3463
02:04:36,069 --> 02:04:34,400
know that it's secret you know military

3464
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:36,079
technology

3465
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:38,320
or another way of looking at dodie is

3466
02:04:43,830 --> 02:04:41,040
you know by now he's been retired

3467
02:04:45,430 --> 02:04:43,840
and you know he's just kind of fishing

3468
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:45,440
around to see

3469
02:04:50,709 --> 02:04:48,560
how he can get some ufo stardom

3470
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:50,719
because he's already a figure in the ufo

3471
02:04:54,069 --> 02:04:51,599
world

3472
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:54,079
so in in that now this is a hypothetical

3473
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:55,520
i don't know for sure

3474
02:04:59,189 --> 02:04:58,400
um i've had one personal communication

3475
02:05:02,149 --> 02:04:59,199
with the man

3476
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:02,159
one that was a few years ago we were

3477
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:03,679
facebook dming

3478
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:06,880
and um he was very pleasant to talk to

3479
02:05:10,149 --> 02:05:09,280
um but you know so i i don't know him

3480
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:10,159
personally

3481
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:13,440
you know um but

3482
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:14,880
it could be that he's just telling

3483
02:05:19,109 --> 02:05:16,480
people what they want to hear

3484
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:19,119
now um so that he can keep some

3485
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:20,560
spotlight and

3486
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:24,239
you know maybe see what interest he

3487
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:25,760
could generate to stay on that

3488
02:05:30,310 --> 02:05:27,840
this ufo as you know you know you've

3489
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:30,320
seen it this ufo community this ufo

3490
02:05:34,069 --> 02:05:31,280
media world

3491
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:34,079
it does weird things to people they they

3492
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:34,400
it

3493
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:40,239
right during one particular thing and

3494
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:42,320
they don't want to lose that spotlight

3495
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:42,639
and

3496
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:45,280
unfortunately it can it can motivate

3497
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:46,159
people

3498
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:49,520
to start spinning yarns or

3499
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:52,480
not being accurate and truly objective

3500
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:53,520
because

3501
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,520
you get more attention when you tell the

3502
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:57,119
wild story or you

3503
02:06:02,390 --> 02:06:00,960
feed the wild story and we we've seen it

3504
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:02,400
i'm not going to name anybody but we've

3505
02:06:05,910 --> 02:06:03,679
seen people go from

3506
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:05,920
being really objective you know kind of

3507
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:08,960
like serious reporters to

3508
02:06:12,149 --> 02:06:11,360
advocating stuff that you just know is

3509
02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:12,159
bs

3510
02:06:18,310 --> 02:06:15,199
and um i hate to see that but

3511
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:18,320
uh you know that could be where

3512
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:21,280
dodie's at now um i would love to have

3513
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:22,960
i'm pretty sure that

3514
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:25,040
um for a while he did the specialty i

3515
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:26,400
did at right pat

3516
02:06:30,229 --> 02:06:27,840
running double agents that's my

3517
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:30,239
understanding of info that i've heard

3518
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:33,199
so he he and i did very similar things

3519
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:34,960
as far as our duties go

3520
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,239
um i'm i'm confident that if

3521
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:40,639
i were to see him like face to face and

3522
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:42,159
we were sitting in some diner

3523
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:44,320
you know in laughlin or whatever and we

3524
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:45,599
it was just us too

3525
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:48,560
um i have a feeling he'd probably tell

3526
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:50,800
me a little bit more than he's ever told

3527
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:52,800
you know anyone in a book or on some tv

3528
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:54,239
show or something with the understanding

3529
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:55,840
that of course i'm not gonna share that

3530
02:06:58,709 --> 02:06:56,320
and i

3531
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,719
i wouldn't um but people have to

3532
02:07:01,830 --> 02:07:00,400
understand something about osi

3533
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:01,840
because i still encounter people that

3534
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:03,599
think oh evil oh it's high guy he's

3535
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:05,520
lying to us he said

3536
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,199
99 of osi agents they are essentially

3537
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:11,280
federal agents fbi agents

3538
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:12,960
for the air force and what i mean by

3539
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,320
that is you know your

3540
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:15,920
your basic felony crimes and

3541
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:17,360
unfortunately even though

3542
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:18,719
most of our military people are good

3543
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:20,079
solid people there's a reason there's

3544
02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:21,599
military agents and cops

3545
02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:23,440
and that's because human nature right

3546
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:24,960
you're gonna have people commit criminal

3547
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:25,520
acts

3548
02:07:28,629 --> 02:07:27,520
most your osi agents they're focusing on

3549
02:07:33,189 --> 02:07:28,639
that you know

3550
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:33,199
serious fraud um sexual assaults or

3551
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:35,199
they're focusing on counterterrorism but

3552
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:38,639
there is one section of osi

3553
02:07:42,390 --> 02:07:41,760
that their specialty is their full-time

3554
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:42,400
job

3555
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:46,000
is uh involved with protecting

3556
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:47,679
classified air force technology these

3557
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:49,280
are the osi agents who know exactly

3558
02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:50,560
what's going on at

3559
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:53,119
area 51 so to speak and all the

3560
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:54,000
facilities like

3561
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:57,679
that and um you know i guarantee you

3562
02:08:02,470 --> 02:07:59,040
their hands

3563
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:02,480
are probably so full uh

3564
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:04,880
with their basic duties in doing that

3565
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:06,079
that

3566
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:09,280
they they really wouldn't have time

3567
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:12,400
to be doing you know these sinister men

3568
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:13,280
in black things

3569
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:15,280
and you know what i find interesting is

3570
02:08:17,910 --> 02:08:16,639
when you really dive into the men in

3571
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:17,920
black stories

3572
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:20,800
and you know you'll hear that oh this

3573
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:22,639
these sinister agents went out and

3574
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:24,400
you know we're really threatening or you

3575
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:25,679
know to these people

3576
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:27,440
and then when you look closer in some

3577
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,040
cases there's been stories like this

3578
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:31,440
you find out that no actually they

3579
02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:32,560
weren't threatening they

3580
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:35,119
they were more like kind of asking us

3581
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:36,000
golly could you

3582
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:37,599
please keep this secret because it's

3583
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:39,520
national security related

3584
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,760
and and i would say that that's your

3585
02:08:46,709 --> 02:08:43,280
most likely your air force

3586
02:08:49,189 --> 02:08:46,719
you know agents um that i'm not saying

3587
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:49,199
that there haven't been

3588
02:08:55,510 --> 02:08:52,400
you know knuckle draggers or you know

3589
02:08:57,430 --> 02:08:55,520
tough guy techniques used by somebody

3590
02:08:59,189 --> 02:08:57,440
i mean i don't think all these people

3591
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,199
are lying but um

3592
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:01,920
you know having worked in special access

3593
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:02,400
stuff

3594
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:12,550
i would say that it's not going to be

3595
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:15,280
your your average osi agent that would

3596
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,639
engage in shenanigans like that now

3597
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:20,800
there could be some special unit that i

3598
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:22,079
am not aware of because i

3599
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:25,119
you know compartmentalization i wasn't

3600
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:27,199
briefed in on every single thing

3601
02:09:33,350 --> 02:09:31,119
osi you know does or did so you know i

3602
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:33,360
if i found out that i'm wrong if i found

3603
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:34,960
out that i'm wrong about dodie and he

3604
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:37,280
did do all these nefarious things i'd be

3605
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:39,199
right with all the people that say

3606
02:09:44,390 --> 02:09:41,679
what an a-hole you know and and coming

3607
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:44,400
from me also an agent i'd really think

3608
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:46,960
wow what an a-hole you you you don't do

3609
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:47,679
that to

3610
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:50,639
to somebody but um from from my

3611
02:09:54,950 --> 02:09:51,920
perspective

3612
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:54,960
i think the guy probably

3613
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:58,639
you know did a knucklehead thing or two

3614
02:10:02,709 --> 02:10:00,560
that

3615
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,719
got him in trouble with regulations and

3616
02:10:06,310 --> 02:10:04,800
with the higher-ups and uh the air force

3617
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:06,320
is real sensitive about being

3618
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:07,440
embarrassed so

3619
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:08,639
when you hear somebody give you a

3620
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:09,840
cautionary tale and say oh he

3621
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:10,960
embarrassed the air force

3622
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:12,400
when you're you understand what that

3623
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:14,000
means you know oh god

3624
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,679
you know god forbid you should embarrass

3625
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:17,520
the air force that's the culture

3626
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:20,560
and um there and so

3627
02:10:24,790 --> 02:10:22,880
you know short of seeing the file and

3628
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:24,800
knowing all the details myself

3629
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:28,000
that's where i stand on uh dodie

3630
02:10:31,589 --> 02:10:30,159
um i would love to have that personal

3631
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:31,599
conversation with him

3632
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:34,960
osi agent to osi agent so ah

3633
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:36,480
what i would give to be a fly on the

3634
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:38,480
wall for that man well

3635
02:10:41,990 --> 02:10:41,280
let's talk about um similar duties for a

3636
02:10:45,750 --> 02:10:42,000
minute now you

3637
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:45,760
had very strikingly similar duties as

3638
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:47,920
another individual that we've come to

3639
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:49,440
know very well now

3640
02:10:54,030 --> 02:10:52,159
and that is uh luis elizondo this guy

3641
02:10:57,270 --> 02:10:54,040
worked in counter-terrorism

3642
02:10:59,430 --> 02:10:57,280
counter-intelligence um so i would love

3643
02:11:00,790 --> 02:10:59,440
to get your thoughts on this guy what

3644
02:11:04,470 --> 02:11:00,800
he's doing

3645
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:04,480
um the way he presents himself

3646
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:06,560
and um you know a lot of people talk

3647
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:07,599
about yeah

3648
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:09,360
like read between the lines of what he's

3649
02:11:12,390 --> 02:11:11,599
saying or um he's saying this no he's

3650
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:12,400
saying this

3651
02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:14,800
and there's so much debate about this

3652
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,480
enigmatic guy that just

3653
02:11:20,629 --> 02:11:18,560
popped out of nowhere when this whole

3654
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:20,639
new york times story broke so well i

3655
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:22,079
just wanted to hear your thoughts

3656
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:25,840
seemingly talk about that do you think

3657
02:11:30,790 --> 02:11:28,000
this was all some strategic plan

3658
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:30,800
do you think this guy really you know

3659
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:32,400
ran the program and said

3660
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:34,079
they're not taking it seriously i gotta

3661
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:35,760
get out of here and i'm gonna try to

3662
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:36,960
take them down

3663
02:11:41,510 --> 02:11:39,679
you know uh not from within but on the

3664
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:41,520
outside what do you make

3665
02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:43,840
of luis elizondo having worked a lot of

3666
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:45,520
the stuff he did

3667
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:48,000
well in the same world the same general

3668
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:49,119
world

3669
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:52,000
clearly you know he was attached to you

3670
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:52,800
know different

3671
02:11:56,950 --> 02:11:55,520
the the specifics is where you know it's

3672
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:56,960
it's different but yeah so i

3673
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:58,639
you know i've been in his world he's

3674
02:12:03,189 --> 02:12:00,560
certainly moved through mine

3675
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:03,199
um i have felt from the beginning of

3676
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:03,920
thought i

3677
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:06,159
don't i use my brain i don't use my

3678
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:07,840
feelings for the stuff i have thought

3679
02:12:12,229 --> 02:12:10,239
um from the beginning going back to was

3680
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:12,239
it 2017

3681
02:12:17,510 --> 02:12:15,440
when uh ttsa stood themselves up and

3682
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:17,520
luis elizondo came on the scene i said

3683
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:20,320
back then and i still think now

3684
02:12:24,229 --> 02:12:22,480
that that whole thing was a perception

3685
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:24,239
management operation

3686
02:12:27,510 --> 02:12:26,960
um i think that they and this is kind of

3687
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:27,520
a bummer

3688
02:12:30,629 --> 02:12:29,440
for tom delong because say what you want

3689
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:30,639
about tom de long

3690
02:12:37,430 --> 02:12:33,840
okay but i the man is sincere

3691
02:12:39,109 --> 02:12:37,440
about his interest in ufos um he really

3692
02:12:40,550 --> 02:12:39,119
is into this stuff he really wants to

3693
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:40,560
get the answers

3694
02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:44,000
and i think they utilized him

3695
02:12:48,629 --> 02:12:46,960
and his organization for a perception

3696
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:48,639
management operation

3697
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:51,760
um and i think that

3698
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:54,880
louis elizondo and and the other you

3699
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:56,159
know

3700
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,119
the other former cia affiliated people

3701
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:01,199
that were on the ttsa

3702
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:03,760
you know board thing there that who were

3703
02:13:09,589 --> 02:13:04,880
presented

3704
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:09,599
um they were part of it

3705
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:14,880
and um the interesting thing is though

3706
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:18,079
i've never really demonized the guy i

3707
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:27,030
i don't i don't

3708
02:13:31,589 --> 02:13:29,679
doubt i haven't seen reason to doubt

3709
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:31,599
what he has said about his career

3710
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:34,800
you know again short of seeing someone's

3711
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:35,280
actual

3712
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:37,280
file you know all you can do is guess

3713
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:38,960
but based on experience

3714
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:40,639
you know it what he said about his

3715
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:42,639
career resonates with

3716
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:45,760
you know the things i know

3717
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:48,960
um i think he what he

3718
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:51,599
was is doing or has been doing is he's

3719
02:13:55,669 --> 02:13:52,639
being a good soldier

3720
02:13:58,950 --> 02:13:55,679
taking instruction um look you retire

3721
02:13:59,589 --> 02:13:58,960
you can retire from active duty or from

3722
02:14:01,990 --> 02:13:59,599
being a

3723
02:14:03,270 --> 02:14:02,000
staffer as we say for any of the

3724
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:03,280
agencies

3725
02:14:07,430 --> 02:14:05,760
on friday and then monday morning report

3726
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:07,440
as a contractor

3727
02:14:11,589 --> 02:14:09,840
and i have long said because one one of

3728
02:14:11,990 --> 02:14:11,599
the things once i got into the air force

3729
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:12,000
and learned

3730
02:14:15,189 --> 02:14:13,920
about the technology and aerospace and

3731
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:15,199
how things really work and

3732
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:17,040
this was back in the 90s when i learned

3733
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:18,560
how things really work that's when i

3734
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:19,920
began to realize

3735
02:14:23,030 --> 02:14:22,000
oh wait a minute the ufo secret is not

3736
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:23,040
with the government

3737
02:14:26,069 --> 02:14:25,760
the ufo secrets the stuff that proves it

3738
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:26,079
all

3739
02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:27,520
is going to be with these contract

3740
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:28,960
organizations because they're private

3741
02:14:30,950 --> 02:14:29,920
corporations

3742
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:30,960
and they are not bound by the

3743
02:14:36,310 --> 02:14:33,599
constitution to reveal anything

3744
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:36,320
under a foia request okay and what that

3745
02:14:39,990 --> 02:14:38,000
does is that gives uncle sam

3746
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:40,000
plausible deniability we don't have

3747
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:41,119
flying saucers

3748
02:14:44,709 --> 02:14:42,719
we don't have bodies we don't have

3749
02:14:46,229 --> 02:14:44,719
material evidence and they can be

3750
02:14:48,629 --> 02:14:46,239
telling the truth they don't

3751
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:48,639
have it because they've handed

3752
02:14:52,550 --> 02:14:49,840
custodianship and

3753
02:14:54,790 --> 02:14:52,560
stuff off to a private corporation that

3754
02:14:55,589 --> 02:14:54,800
was set up for that purpose in the first

3755
02:14:57,350 --> 02:14:55,599
place right

3756
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:57,360
or was set up for similar things and

3757
02:15:02,390 --> 02:14:59,520
they just used them for that

3758
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,400
and um and that's run by people in the

3759
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:04,320
contract world who very often were

3760
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:04,800
either

3761
02:15:07,990 --> 02:15:07,280
active duty military in the world or

3762
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:08,000
some other type

3763
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:10,960
of agency personnel and again seriously

3764
02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:12,960
i'm not exaggerating you retire from one

3765
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:14,400
thing on friday and on monday you're

3766
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:16,320
reporting as a contractor now as a

3767
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:17,599
contractor

3768
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:21,760
you're able to do um a little more

3769
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:23,840
monkey business where the public is

3770
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:25,760
concerned because you're no longer an

3771
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:28,560
officer of the government right um

3772
02:15:33,189 --> 02:15:29,119
you're

3773
02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:33,199
something operational

3774
02:15:38,149 --> 02:15:36,400
you're allowed to use you know

3775
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:38,159
a phrase we'd like to say deceit and

3776
02:15:42,069 --> 02:15:39,920
trickery basically you know

3777
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,079
lie through your teeth you know to

3778
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:43,840
people if they ask you the direct

3779
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:44,560
question

3780
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:47,440
you know like so-and-so are you now or

3781
02:15:50,310 --> 02:15:48,960
have you ever been an employee of the

3782
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:50,320
such and such agency

3783
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:53,040
and they could say no never been an

3784
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:54,400
employee of that agency

3785
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:58,159
when they were a contractor for the very

3786
02:16:01,270 --> 02:16:00,000
purpose of being able to deny being an

3787
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,280
employee but

3788
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:03,599
yeah they were hired by that agency and

3789
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:05,679
being a contractor is an understood part

3790
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:06,719
of their cover

3791
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:08,960
and so they are in effect an actual

3792
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:09,840
employee but they can

3793
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:13,280
lie and say no because

3794
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,280
technically they're a contractor and

3795
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:17,119
that's what i

3796
02:16:23,350 --> 02:16:20,960
suspected of lou elizondo

3797
02:16:25,589 --> 02:16:23,360
from the get-go from from my perspective

3798
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:25,599
um along with people getting so excited

3799
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:26,320
over

3800
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:29,040
you know the um the the i mean remember

3801
02:16:31,750 --> 02:16:29,840
the balloon

3802
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,760
fiasco the mylar balloon thing and then

3803
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,000
the tic tac thing i immediately thought

3804
02:16:37,270 --> 02:16:36,240
okay this is our technology and you

3805
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:37,280
everybody knows the

3806
02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:39,760
the big hubbub of the last three years

3807
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:41,679
but the interesting thing is

3808
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:44,479
there are some people that started not

3809
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:45,040
who

3810
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:47,840
loved lou and then started being unhappy

3811
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:48,880
with him

3812
02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:52,719
when he on the show in particular

3813
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:54,399
um went in the direction of the threat

3814
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:57,359
narrative and this brings us back to

3815
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:59,359
why would a perception management not be

3816
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:01,040
done in this way

3817
02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:03,920
well here's the thing folks like it or

3818
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:05,359
not

3819
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:12,479
threat

3820
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:15,040
from out there first of all a space

3821
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:17,120
threat that's another

3822
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:20,240
subject we'll get to but um why a

3823
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:21,760
perception management operation that

3824
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:22,399
would

3825
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:24,880
you know involve the ufo world and stuff

3826
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:26,880
well here's the thing

3827
02:17:33,349 --> 02:17:30,559
things have been tense with china

3828
02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:33,359
not just in the last four or five years

3829
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:34,319
for decades

3830
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:37,519
okay i mean we had things that the

3831
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:39,200
civilian world didn't know about

3832
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:41,439
you know alerts that popped up that i

3833
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:42,639
mean i remember the day i showed up for

3834
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:44,399
work as an osi agent in l.a in the mid

3835
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:44,960
90s

3836
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:47,120
and my boss said look we're pulling your

3837
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:48,319
deployment bags

3838
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:50,000
ready to put them on the plane we've got

3839
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:52,240
an alert keep it to yourself but you

3840
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:54,319
might be on the plane to korea

3841
02:17:57,509 --> 02:17:56,559
by tonight and that happened a couple of

3842
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:57,519
times

3843
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:59,040
while i was an agent and that's

3844
02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:01,040
something that wasn't reported publicly

3845
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,479
and and what that is is you're on your

3846
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:04,000
way to korea you know north korea the

3847
02:18:07,349 --> 02:18:05,359
euphemism for

3848
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:07,359
it's america and china rattling their

3849
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:08,800
sabers at each other this has been a

3850
02:18:11,429 --> 02:18:09,599
concern i

3851
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:11,439
i mean i remember my mentor and other

3852
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:12,880
superior officers saying

3853
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:14,559
we really think that the next time the

3854
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:16,399
world gets into it it's going to be a

3855
02:18:19,830 --> 02:18:17,760
big one with china they have been

3856
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:19,840
concerned about this for decades

3857
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:23,679
okay and um here's the thing in the last

3858
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:26,160
five to ten years china's navy has been

3859
02:18:30,469 --> 02:18:28,160
doing aggressive things like that they

3860
02:18:32,790 --> 02:18:30,479
build those artificial island bases

3861
02:18:33,669 --> 02:18:32,800
for their navy um they're doing all

3862
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:33,679
sorts of and

3863
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:35,439
very recently they're doing you know

3864
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:37,359
aggressive things right

3865
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:40,399
expanding this that and the other so

3866
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:42,880
why a perception management operation

3867
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:43,439
why

3868
02:18:46,549 --> 02:18:44,800
would we want to do a perception

3869
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:46,559
management thing where golly

3870
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:48,800
our fighter squadrons navy fighter

3871
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:50,639
squadrons off the coast of california

3872
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:51,280
see this

3873
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:53,599
amazing thing that outmaneuvers them oh

3874
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,359
my gosh it's so shocking

3875
02:18:59,830 --> 02:18:57,519
oh we can't oh we can't keep up with it

3876
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:59,840
oh it's amazing well the real audience

3877
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:01,040
for that

3878
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:04,160
was the chinese military intel guys

3879
02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:07,840
okay and and they know it okay but it's

3880
02:19:10,629 --> 02:19:10,080
passed off as this to the public as this

3881
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:10,639
old

3882
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:14,240
ufo okay but and this is my perspective

3883
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:14,639
from

3884
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:17,519
having been an insider in that world

3885
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:19,040
what they're doing is they're saying to

3886
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:22,160
china look what we got and oh by the way

3887
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:25,679
this was in 2004. that's that's how far

3888
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:27,200
we had developed it

3889
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:29,760
16 or what at the time what 13 years

3890
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:30,240
before

3891
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:32,080
uh-huh what do you think about that god

3892
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:33,679
knows how far we've developed it

3893
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:36,399
so the chinese are going ah okay let's

3894
02:19:39,429 --> 02:19:37,359
see what we got

3895
02:19:41,110 --> 02:19:39,439
you know and it's this game and and this

3896
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:41,120
is my assessment of what

3897
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:44,160
the tic tac thing and even the uh

3898
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:54,070
yeah one of those things and the gimbal

3899
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:56,080
thing it's you know that's drone

3900
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:57,520
technology when you hear the whole

3901
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:59,200
recording you hear the pilots

3902
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:00,880
with the gimbal thing saying oh man it's

3903
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:03,439
you know it's a drone and then recently

3904
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:06,160
there's a you know for a couple of years

3905
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:08,240
i had people angry at me

3906
02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:09,520
you know because immediately i'm like

3907
02:20:13,990 --> 02:20:11,520
this is our technology you're gonna see

3908
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:14,000
and sure enough between the um the

3909
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:15,680
patents that we talked about

3910
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:18,880
and other things where you know the

3911
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,160
technology that has

3912
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:22,000
actually been being developed and the

3913
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:24,399
description of how it works is exactly

3914
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:26,640
what these guys the pilots and the radar

3915
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:27,760
people describe

3916
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,640
going on you're like folks come on

3917
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:31,920
there's your answer

3918
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:35,520
um you know that's what the tic tac

3919
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:37,840
is all about but again i remind people

3920
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:38,960
just be i mean

3921
02:20:42,550 --> 02:20:40,880
just because i think that's what the tic

3922
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:42,560
tac is as like i

3923
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:45,200
said earlier i i still think there's et

3924
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:46,720
stuff coming here

3925
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:48,800
i still think people you know see et

3926
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:50,640
stuff just that's not it

3927
02:20:55,030 --> 02:20:54,000
and before people go getting angry about

3928
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:55,040
that

3929
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:57,040
these guys are doing their job when they

3930
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:59,200
do this perception management stuff

3931
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:01,120
their job is to protect the country and

3932
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,720
if they see you know

3933
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:04,560
china being aggressive and that's a

3934
02:21:08,550 --> 02:21:06,080
potential threat

3935
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:08,560
this is part of them doing what they got

3936
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:09,680
to do

3937
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:12,640
to protect the country so i don't hold

3938
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:12,960
that

3939
02:21:17,590 --> 02:21:16,479
against them um as long as they're not

3940
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:17,600
hurting anybody

3941
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:19,680
in the ufo community and the public with

3942
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:20,880
doing this i mean

3943
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:25,359
you know feelings hurt get over it

3944
02:21:32,070 --> 02:21:28,640
because here's the thing if

3945
02:21:34,469 --> 02:21:32,080
if the next big conflict breaks out and

3946
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:34,479
suddenly you know these tic tac things

3947
02:21:39,910 --> 02:21:35,920
and these

3948
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:39,920
other things are the stuff that gives us

3949
02:21:42,550 --> 02:21:40,960
the edge

3950
02:21:44,710 --> 02:21:42,560
when you know we're worried about stuff

3951
02:21:46,309 --> 02:21:44,720
coming at us in the skies the public is

3952
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:46,319
all of a sudden going to be perfectly

3953
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,359
okay

3954
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:49,600
that they were told that was ufos

3955
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:51,439
because thank you for developing this

3956
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:53,120
stuff if they're keeping us safe

3957
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:55,760
in a war now that's that's that there's

3958
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:56,960
then there's the

3959
02:22:01,910 --> 02:22:00,800
potential space threat um and a guy like

3960
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:01,920
lou

3961
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,120
if you know with this program

3962
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:07,280
you know one of the reasons that they

3963
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:08,240
would be looking

3964
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:14,710
is because it is their job could there

3965
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:17,600
be a threat coming from space

3966
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:20,479
to what degree might they know about a

3967
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:22,399
potential threat um

3968
02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:26,640
folks i i've said it before elsewhere um

3969
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:30,240
you know um it's kind of intellectually

3970
02:22:34,790 --> 02:22:31,760
childish

3971
02:22:35,990 --> 02:22:34,800
to insist and believe these stories that

3972
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:36,000
there's people in the community that

3973
02:22:39,590 --> 02:22:37,040
just keep pushing it

3974
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:39,600
that there's nothing threatening about

3975
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:40,800
the et's

3976
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:42,960
they're all benevolent and any

3977
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:44,399
civilization that can develop the

3978
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:46,240
technology traverse the stars

3979
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:48,479
has conquered their bellicose war-like

3980
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:50,240
nature and it's all love love love

3981
02:22:57,750 --> 02:22:54,319
baloney i mean look how look how much

3982
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:57,760
technology has been developed

3983
02:23:02,070 --> 02:23:00,319
um by the militaries of the world for

3984
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:02,080
military purposes throughout history

3985
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:03,840
even even eventually it gets

3986
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:06,880
applied to civilian use right

3987
02:23:11,510 --> 02:23:09,120
but look how much starts out you know

3988
02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:11,520
with the military perspective in mind or

3989
02:23:16,550 --> 02:23:13,120
develop for the military

3990
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,560
a lot of it and why do we assume

3991
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:18,800
well i know why people assume and think

3992
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:20,479
that you know

3993
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:22,640
et civilizations would never do that

3994
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:24,319
it's because there's been propaganda for

3995
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:25,520
decades

3996
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:28,720
starting you know unfortunately in that

3997
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:29,280
more

3998
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,840
new age connection to the ufo community

3999
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:33,200
with that contact d

4000
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:36,240
era in the 50s now here's an interesting

4001
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:38,160
thing i've been doing some

4002
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:41,200
recent studying of 1950s eric contact e

4003
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:41,920
literature

4004
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:43,520
and you know i'm not the first guy to

4005
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:45,520
say this but it reminds you that

4006
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:48,880
gee the 1950s we had just we had we were

4007
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:51,359
full on into the cold war right

4008
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:55,120
and um a lot of that

4009
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,280
ufo contacting material comes down to

4010
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:01,280
oh america's got to get rid of its you

4011
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:03,040
know the humans have to get rid of their

4012
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:05,520
nuclear weapons it's the nuclear weapons

4013
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:05,920
that

4014
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:10,560
blah and america's got to do this you

4015
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:12,000
you got to be against nuclear weapons

4016
02:24:17,910 --> 02:24:15,040
i'm thinking cold war era 1950s

4017
02:24:19,670 --> 02:24:17,920
you have these so-called ets preaching

4018
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:19,680
to the public who will listen

4019
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:22,240
that all nuclear weaponry you know we we

4020
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:23,760
shouldn't have this it's bad in the

4021
02:24:26,309 --> 02:24:24,479
benevolent

4022
02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:26,319
and doesn't that sound like russian

4023
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:28,000
intelligence propaganda

4024
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:30,880
yeah to me it does and we know that they

4025
02:24:34,790 --> 02:24:32,720
were playing games with that

4026
02:24:36,469 --> 02:24:34,800
back then and i have no doubt we were i

4027
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:36,479
mean come on you know we all played the

4028
02:24:39,830 --> 02:24:37,200
same game

4029
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,840
we were messing with their public in in

4030
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:41,600
you know whatever ways that worked

4031
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:44,800
and i unfortunately think that

4032
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:48,800
that's where a lot of that plus

4033
02:24:52,309 --> 02:24:51,760
some genuine wishy-washiness to be found

4034
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:52,319
in in

4035
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:55,120
that particular community i'm gonna get

4036
02:25:00,230 --> 02:24:56,399
some hate for that

4037
02:25:00,950 --> 02:25:00,240
but um you know that's what you're here

4038
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:00,960
for

4039
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:03,840
yeah it's your your country's bag walter

4040
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:06,160
yeah it's been with us for decades this

4041
02:25:11,830 --> 02:25:09,520
this nonsense that um uh

4042
02:25:13,349 --> 02:25:11,840
and oh and here's what doesn't help

4043
02:25:14,150 --> 02:25:13,359
here's what doesn't help what i'm trying

4044
02:25:17,349 --> 02:25:14,160
to say

4045
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:17,359
that gosh darn werner von braun

4046
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:20,560
story now i i met carol rosen

4047
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:24,240
once at the 2014 ssp conference in san

4048
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:25,120
mateo

4049
02:25:28,870 --> 02:25:27,280
that's an intelligent reasonable woman i

4050
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:28,880
i'm i don't think

4051
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,120
she's lying about that story about what

4052
02:25:35,870 --> 02:25:32,800
warner von braun told her

4053
02:25:37,030 --> 02:25:35,880
i think people are kind of

4054
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:37,040
misinterpreting

4055
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:39,120
the finer details of it and and they're

4056
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:40,640
they're hanging

4057
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:41,760
you know they're they're putting all

4058
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:43,439
their eggs in that basket and that is

4059
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:45,920
the thing where werner von braun said

4060
02:25:50,790 --> 02:25:49,120
the there would be uh this was in the

4061
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:50,800
effort for the globalist to control

4062
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:52,800
you know the human population they would

4063
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:54,640
use these five steps and

4064
02:25:58,950 --> 02:25:56,800
you know there would be a cold war and

4065
02:25:59,670 --> 02:25:58,960
then there would be terrorism then there

4066
02:26:03,510 --> 02:25:59,680
would be

4067
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:03,520
asteroids

4068
02:26:12,389 --> 02:26:08,160
would use the alien threat

4069
02:26:17,110 --> 02:26:12,399
you know and it's all a lie well

4070
02:26:21,429 --> 02:26:17,120
okay he didn't say

4071
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:21,439
that there were no alien threats

4072
02:26:24,790 --> 02:26:23,040
or you know that they didn't consider

4073
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:24,800
that they were alien threats he said

4074
02:26:28,710 --> 02:26:25,439
they would

4075
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:28,720
use that to

4076
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:31,359
get the public to buy off on huge

4077
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:33,760
expenditures by the military industrial

4078
02:26:38,309 --> 02:26:36,880
complex which we have reason to be

4079
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:38,319
concerned about

4080
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:41,280
those guys and i'm an air force officer

4081
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:42,160
and

4082
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:43,840
we got reason to be concerned about that

4083
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:45,920
i mean eisenhower told us that right

4084
02:26:50,309 --> 02:26:48,960
we've known this for a long time um but

4085
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:50,319
what he was saying is

4086
02:26:56,870 --> 02:26:54,160
you know that topic would be used

4087
02:26:57,830 --> 02:26:56,880
to do these other nefarious things i

4088
02:27:01,590 --> 02:26:57,840
don't recall him

4089
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:01,600
ever emphasizing because there

4090
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:04,000
are no et's that are any threat he never

4091
02:27:10,150 --> 02:27:05,120
he never said that

4092
02:27:17,190 --> 02:27:13,830
even with what he said

4093
02:27:19,030 --> 02:27:17,200
he's a human being he's fallible

4094
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:19,040
this might have been his read on

4095
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:21,040
something now yeah i mean he was werner

4096
02:27:23,349 --> 02:27:22,800
von braun right he was in the know he

4097
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:23,359
was

4098
02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:25,280
you know had reason to know more than a

4099
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:26,560
lot of us but

4100
02:27:29,830 --> 02:27:29,520
it doesn't mean that what he said you

4101
02:27:33,349 --> 02:27:29,840
know

4102
02:27:35,190 --> 02:27:33,359
is actually the gospel reality um

4103
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:35,200
the intriguing part is is that all the

4104
02:27:42,150 --> 02:27:40,389
have happened you know we had the period

4105
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:42,160
of terrorism we had you know

4106
02:27:46,309 --> 02:27:45,359
this and it's it's kind of spooky so my

4107
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:46,319
point is that

4108
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:48,960
i think both are true i think what von

4109
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:50,880
braun was telling us is something

4110
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:53,200
clearly i mean he's already four out of

4111
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:54,399
five right

4112
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:56,319
there's some truth there but i think

4113
02:28:00,150 --> 02:27:58,319
that has to do with something nefarious

4114
02:28:01,750 --> 02:28:00,160
that certain bad players

4115
02:28:04,309 --> 02:28:01,760
associated with military industrial

4116
02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:04,319
complex are carrying out and planning to

4117
02:28:07,990 --> 02:28:05,040
do

4118
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:08,000
but i think at the same time i think

4119
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:09,600
that

4120
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:11,200
they're very naturally saying we got to

4121
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:13,359
be prepared for a threat from space

4122
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:16,240
should it come or

4123
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:19,359
they're aware of a potential threat

4124
02:28:23,429 --> 02:28:21,200
on its way here now i'm not the only guy

4125
02:28:26,790 --> 02:28:23,439
things have said that joseph farrell

4126
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:26,800
um thinks this as well and um but i

4127
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:29,680
i think a very practical position is to

4128
02:28:33,910 --> 02:28:31,359
assume that

4129
02:28:34,389 --> 02:28:33,920
they're going to be uh quote unquote as

4130
02:28:37,510 --> 02:28:34,399
human

4131
02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:37,520
as as we are um in the respect that

4132
02:28:40,950 --> 02:28:38,479
you're going to have

4133
02:28:42,150 --> 02:28:40,960
civilizations that really we're going to

4134
02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:42,160
get along with and

4135
02:28:45,830 --> 02:28:44,240
mean us no harm they mean us goodwill

4136
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:45,840
you're going to have those that

4137
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:49,680
are hell-bent on conquest i mean come on

4138
02:28:53,110 --> 02:28:50,560
look at

4139
02:28:53,990 --> 02:28:53,120
we know from our own history just a few

4140
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:54,000
centuries ago

4141
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:56,800
in the big scope of time you know we

4142
02:29:00,230 --> 02:28:58,319
would go to new lands we'd

4143
02:29:02,710 --> 02:29:00,240
invade we'd conquer we we'd do this i

4144
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:02,720
mean it's all part of our history

4145
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,840
this nonsense that people say that oh

4146
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:07,680
we're the only ones in the universe like

4147
02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:09,200
that i just

4148
02:29:13,750 --> 02:29:11,760
like oh please grow up this this is

4149
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:13,760
really intellectually childish to think

4150
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:14,640
this and

4151
02:29:20,230 --> 02:29:17,760
i i i hate to think that wake up calls

4152
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:20,240
going to come for these people

4153
02:29:25,910 --> 02:29:23,520
when you know god forbid the stuff

4154
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:25,920
appears in the sky and just starts

4155
02:29:29,670 --> 02:29:28,800
you know and and that could happen and

4156
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:29,680
people say

4157
02:29:33,750 --> 02:29:32,160
oh bosley's part of the uh part of the

4158
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:33,760
thing that von braun's talking about

4159
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:34,880
he's an unwitting

4160
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:37,760
you know useful idiot and like oh gosh

4161
02:29:40,710 --> 02:29:38,800
you guys i

4162
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:40,720
i have my concerns about our military

4163
02:29:45,830 --> 02:29:41,920
industrial complexes

4164
02:29:48,150 --> 02:29:45,840
as much as any of you and um you know so

4165
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:48,160
but i i just think it's more practical

4166
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:49,280
and that

4167
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:52,399
might have something to do with what's

4168
02:29:56,950 --> 02:29:54,399
being developed and why

4169
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:56,960
because as others have said before me

4170
02:30:01,910 --> 02:29:59,520
they might be trying as fast as they can

4171
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:01,920
to replicate some technology they're

4172
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:03,040
aware of

4173
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:05,760
to try to be up to speed upon the

4174
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:07,200
arrival

4175
02:30:12,389 --> 02:30:10,720
of something that someone that could be

4176
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:12,399
on their way i i don't know now we're

4177
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:12,960
into

4178
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:17,520
hypothetical land here but i i try to be

4179
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:19,439
you know realistic with with the

4180
02:30:22,150 --> 02:30:21,359
hypotheticals and we at least have to be

4181
02:30:24,630 --> 02:30:22,160
prepared

4182
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:24,640
um because i at some point particularly

4183
02:30:27,349 --> 02:30:26,399
as we venture out the space more at some

4184
02:30:28,630 --> 02:30:27,359
point folks

4185
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,640
if we're going to encounter these

4186
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:30,720
advanced civilizations we're going

4187
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:33,840
we are going to encounter one that that

4188
02:30:38,309 --> 02:30:36,080
is not good that means us harm that

4189
02:30:41,750 --> 02:30:38,319
there's going to be belligerence

4190
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:41,760
and there could be conflict with um so

4191
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:45,439
it just you know and i think that

4192
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:46,880
to the extent that a guy like lou

4193
02:30:51,670 --> 02:30:49,200
elizondo goes there with

4194
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:51,680
you know his documentaries and stuff i i

4195
02:30:57,030 --> 02:30:53,760
think that's what he's trying to

4196
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:57,040
maybe they are trying to

4197
02:31:01,190 --> 02:30:59,840
get that idea out there so that people

4198
02:31:02,630 --> 02:31:01,200
you know

4199
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,640
because they know it's inevitable but

4200
02:31:07,670 --> 02:31:04,720
then there's the von braun story

4201
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:07,680
could it be just and that's what causes

4202
02:31:11,510 --> 02:31:09,280
the problem as i said a few minutes ago

4203
02:31:13,190 --> 02:31:11,520
the von braun thing really

4204
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:13,200
it makes it hard for people and i

4205
02:31:15,990 --> 02:31:14,720
understand that it makes it hard for the

4206
02:31:19,830 --> 02:31:16,000
average person

4207
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:19,840
to know what to believe and um

4208
02:31:26,550 --> 02:31:23,120
i blame human political nature

4209
02:31:27,990 --> 02:31:26,560
centuries of that for putting people in

4210
02:31:30,389 --> 02:31:28,000
that position not knowing what to

4211
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:30,399
believe anymore thank you machiavelli

4212
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:33,760
you know good point

4213
02:31:37,190 --> 02:31:36,160
good for you man um well thank you thank

4214
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:37,200
you for giving

4215
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:38,960
us your thoughts on that i know a lot of

4216
02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:41,040
people were wondering that and speaking

4217
02:31:43,349 --> 02:31:41,520
of that

4218
02:31:46,150 --> 02:31:43,359
walter i'm gonna move to some listener

4219
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:46,160
questions and our first one comes from

4220
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:49,760
um the ufos of oz which is a brand new

4221
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4222
02:31:54,710 --> 02:31:52,560
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4223
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4224
02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:57,760
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4225
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:58,479
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4226
02:32:01,590 --> 02:32:00,800
little shameless plug for our friends

4227
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over there at

4228
02:32:07,990 --> 02:32:04,880
the ufos of oz uh they ask walter

4229
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:08,000
can you speculate or discuss why the

4230
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:10,560
air force has been so conspicuously

4231
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:11,680
quiet

4232
02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:15,040
about the uap phenomenon compared to the

4233
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:16,000
navy

4234
02:32:20,710 --> 02:32:18,800
why are we not hearing anything from the

4235
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:20,720
air force with all of this man it's kind

4236
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:22,240
of weird if you ask me

4237
02:32:28,150 --> 02:32:25,520
but um demystify that for us if you may

4238
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:28,160
from my perspective it tells me that

4239
02:32:33,349 --> 02:32:29,200
it's

4240
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:33,359
program that the air force

4241
02:32:37,030 --> 02:32:35,040
it's either an air force technology

4242
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:37,040
program or they're at the forefront of

4243
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:37,439
some

4244
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:40,560
joint task force program developing this

4245
02:32:44,389 --> 02:32:42,399
but yeah with with the air force being

4246
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:44,399
this quiet it

4247
02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:46,640
i suspect that it's because it's it's in

4248
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:48,000
in our case with these sightings here in

4249
02:32:50,469 --> 02:32:49,840
the us that it's us air force tech and

4250
02:32:52,150 --> 02:32:50,479
that's

4251
02:32:53,590 --> 02:32:52,160
i mean there is part of the story with

4252
02:32:56,870 --> 02:32:53,600
the tic tac that it was

4253
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:56,880
air force agents or intel type it was

4254
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:58,720
air force personnel who showed up on the

4255
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:59,920
ship and took the

4256
02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:02,000
the data drives right that's what we

4257
02:33:06,230 --> 02:33:03,280
hear uh

4258
02:33:08,550 --> 02:33:06,240
we were told yeah so why would air force

4259
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:08,560
guys be showing up on a naval vessel

4260
02:33:12,870 --> 02:33:10,240
and you know the commander of that

4261
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:12,880
vessel that that naval captain

4262
02:33:16,230 --> 02:33:14,640
yeah yeah let them take this come on

4263
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:16,240
that's because he's been briefed in on

4264
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:18,000
what it you know what's going on and

4265
02:33:21,429 --> 02:33:19,359
you know the air force guys are here to

4266
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:21,439
get the data yeah that's i think it's

4267
02:33:25,190 --> 02:33:23,600
to me it's simple it's because it's it's

4268
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:25,200
air force tech and that should have been

4269
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:26,000
a first

4270
02:33:30,389 --> 02:33:28,640
the silence of the air force um should

4271
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:30,399
have been the first clue bird for folks

4272
02:33:33,910 --> 02:33:30,880
but

4273
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:33,920
you know that's just what i think carol

4274
02:33:39,030 --> 02:33:35,600
on facebook asks

4275
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:39,040
why do uh why do you think the pentagon

4276
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:40,479
in dod is basically

4277
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:43,120
okay with all these leaked and released

4278
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:44,080
videos

4279
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:45,840
that we've been seeing that george knapp

4280
02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:47,200
jeremy corbell

4281
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:50,000
uh the debrief media site um they've all

4282
02:33:53,830 --> 02:33:51,520
been given little

4283
02:33:55,590 --> 02:33:53,840
little kind of breadcrumbs of what's

4284
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:55,600
going on within the pentagon with this

4285
02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:56,640
task force

4286
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:57,920
why do you think that is that these

4287
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:59,680
things are being leaked right before

4288
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:02,000
this report is supposed to come out

4289
02:34:07,349 --> 02:34:05,840
it's controlled leaks um it's

4290
02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:07,359
they're on top of it they know what

4291
02:34:10,590 --> 02:34:09,280
they're giving i think some of those

4292
02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:10,600
individuals are

4293
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:14,000
exaggerating you know what you're seeing

4294
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:15,439
in those things and they're because

4295
02:34:18,309 --> 02:34:16,000
they're playing

4296
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:18,319
to their audience you know they're

4297
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:20,479
basically being carnival barkers

4298
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:22,000
you know step right up look at this

4299
02:34:27,270 --> 02:34:24,160
thing it's like no that's not what it is

4300
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:27,280
um but they've got a willing enough um

4301
02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:30,080
audience to listen to their spin so

4302
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:36,309
but i i think

4303
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:39,840
the pentagon and whatever dod program

4304
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:41,840
is behind these releases this is a

4305
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:43,520
calculated thing

4306
02:34:52,150 --> 02:34:47,520
and um you know whether it's for the

4307
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:52,160
uh defense related um

4308
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:55,920
dod operation aimed at you know communic

4309
02:34:59,270 --> 02:34:57,920
communicating something to the chinese

4310
02:35:02,630 --> 02:34:59,280
military or

4311
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:02,640
or otherwise i think there's more

4312
02:35:09,190 --> 02:35:05,680
it's much more of a controlled um thing

4313
02:35:12,230 --> 02:35:09,200
going on than people realize gotcha

4314
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:12,240
all right um well irrelevant

4315
02:35:15,750 --> 02:35:14,160
appellation that's quite a name on

4316
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:15,760
reddit asks

4317
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:18,479
what relationship does the breakaway

4318
02:35:22,469 --> 02:35:19,680
civilization

4319
02:35:23,030 --> 02:35:22,479
have with the imminent disclosure that

4320
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:23,040
we're

4321
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:27,520
along and if so is the illusion

4322
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:31,120
of an et existence just a smoke screen

4323
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:34,560
to a obscure larger more unsettling

4324
02:35:37,429 --> 02:35:35,200
truth

4325
02:35:38,790 --> 02:35:37,439
that is a long-winded question but yeah

4326
02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:38,800
i know you're the guy to turn to with

4327
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:40,640
breakaway civilizations

4328
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:42,479
yeah what do you make of it well first

4329
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:43,920
of all

4330
02:35:47,190 --> 02:35:45,040
thanks for the question because this

4331
02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:47,200
gives me an opportunity i have

4332
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:50,960
changed um my use of the term

4333
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:52,880
i've gone away from breakaway

4334
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:54,399
civilization

4335
02:35:58,469 --> 02:35:56,880
to break away organization because the

4336
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:58,479
word civilization when you think about

4337
02:36:01,750 --> 02:35:58,720
it

4338
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:01,760
implies in most people's minds something

4339
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:05,920
much more vast and and and huge

4340
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:08,399
and and i see it more as there are

4341
02:36:12,070 --> 02:36:09,040
breakaway

4342
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:12,080
groups i definitely so it's just

4343
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:14,240
a change in terminology i think to

4344
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:15,200
really bring

4345
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:16,880
a definition into what we're actually

4346
02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:19,120
talking about here but i believe in the

4347
02:36:23,750 --> 02:36:22,479
same essential concept that there are

4348
02:36:26,630 --> 02:36:23,760
breakaway groups now

4349
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:26,640
i think to some degree these breakaway

4350
02:36:29,270 --> 02:36:28,240
groups whoever whatever they are

4351
02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:29,280
wherever they are

4352
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:31,520
have of course contributed to the

4353
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:33,760
technology development

4354
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:35,680
associated with the military industrial

4355
02:36:41,990 --> 02:36:37,840
complex

4356
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:42,000
and i mean that with the small mic

4357
02:36:46,710 --> 02:36:43,760
meaning that actual physical structure

4358
02:36:51,110 --> 02:36:46,720
that any nation needs to produce their

4359
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:51,120
you know their warfighting capability um

4360
02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:53,680
and within that complex there's your

4361
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:55,280
nefarious group

4362
02:36:58,309 --> 02:36:57,600
that is the evil military industrial

4363
02:37:02,830 --> 02:36:58,319
complex

4364
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:02,840
so to speak now as far as um

4365
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:05,600
uh their role

4366
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:07,520
in what's going on or what's going to

4367
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:09,040
happen

4368
02:37:15,670 --> 02:37:12,240
um remember

4369
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:15,680
most of my research has been trying to

4370
02:37:22,309 --> 02:37:18,800
apply the to find dig out and

4371
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:22,319
and suggest the historical threads

4372
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:25,200
leading up to the 20th century right

4373
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:28,160
so i i admit i've admitted this before i

4374
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:28,800
i don't

4375
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:33,200
know how to explain the status or state

4376
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:35,120
of the breakaway

4377
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:38,479
organization in you know after world war

4378
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:40,800
two and in our times because

4379
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:42,880
um i've focused more on the

4380
02:37:49,030 --> 02:37:46,399
developmental aspects but my guess is

4381
02:37:50,630 --> 02:37:49,040
they have been involved with developing

4382
02:37:54,309 --> 02:37:50,640
whatever our advance

4383
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:54,319
space technology is um

4384
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:57,439
and yes the et issue

4385
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:00,560
certainly can and probably and has you

4386
02:38:03,670 --> 02:38:02,720
know been used as a screen a smoke

4387
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:03,680
screen

4388
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:05,680
for things that are you know human

4389
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:07,600
technology of course that makes sense to

4390
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:08,160
me

4391
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:11,120
i understand why they would do that um

4392
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:11,520
it

4393
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:14,560
does confuse things you know for the us

4394
02:38:17,990 --> 02:38:16,160
out here and the public

4395
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:18,000
trying to figure out what's going on who

4396
02:38:23,750 --> 02:38:20,560
do we trust what do we believe

4397
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:23,760
but um yeah that's where i see the

4398
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:26,160
the breakaways now um i i think the

4399
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:28,080
german breakaway that i've written about

4400
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:30,160
that charles del shall told us was

4401
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:32,080
called nimza

4402
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:35,200
as i have written i think nimza doesn't

4403
02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:36,240
exist as such

4404
02:38:39,349 --> 02:38:38,479
i think nimsa got absorbed into the nazi

4405
02:38:43,670 --> 02:38:39,359
machine

4406
02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:43,680
i think what what the remnants of nimza

4407
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:45,840
that so-called nims that exist today

4408
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:48,880
would would actually be the um

4409
02:38:51,910 --> 02:38:50,880
in this nazi international that joseph

4410
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:51,920
farrell and others

4411
02:38:56,150 --> 02:38:55,680
talk about and write about so therefore

4412
02:38:59,190 --> 02:38:56,160
uh

4413
02:39:02,150 --> 02:38:59,200
was the what i proposed as an american

4414
02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:02,160
breakaway that what i call the 1903.

4415
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:04,720
did they exist beyond the world war ii

4416
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:05,520
era

4417
02:39:09,429 --> 02:39:07,280
did they even exist because where were

4418
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:09,439
they we we can we can look at the nazi

4419
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:10,080
war machine

4420
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:12,479
and say uh you know i can see where

4421
02:39:17,750 --> 02:39:13,840
nimza

4422
02:39:18,870 --> 02:39:17,760
from the 19th century to the 20th if we

4423
02:39:20,389 --> 02:39:18,880
want to look at them as

4424
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:20,399
you know the nazi war machine and the

4425
02:39:23,910 --> 02:39:22,000
nazi international but

4426
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:23,920
where the heck was this american group

4427
02:39:28,309 --> 02:39:25,520
that i suspect

4428
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:28,319
stood up in the late 1890s and into the

4429
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:30,080
early 1900s because

4430
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:33,200
you know we had two world wars and you

4431
02:39:38,630 --> 02:39:35,600
know we didn't see any sign of them so

4432
02:39:40,150 --> 02:39:38,640
that's been the reason for me to say

4433
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:40,160
well you know i could be wrong

4434
02:39:44,630 --> 02:39:42,640
maybe they tried one thing and it didn't

4435
02:39:47,750 --> 02:39:44,640
work out and they just kind of disbanded

4436
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:47,760
i don't know but they certainly

4437
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:53,200
disappeared except

4438
02:39:59,429 --> 02:39:56,560
except for this

4439
02:40:01,349 --> 02:39:59,439
i don't want to call it a myth but it

4440
02:40:03,590 --> 02:40:01,359
it's been presented in fiction

4441
02:40:05,830 --> 02:40:03,600
and it nags at people and it really is

4442
02:40:07,349 --> 02:40:05,840
the model for the idea of a breakaway

4443
02:40:10,389 --> 02:40:07,359
organization

4444
02:40:15,030 --> 02:40:10,399
you've got the ein rand problem

4445
02:40:19,110 --> 02:40:15,040
and that is the the john galt theme

4446
02:40:20,630 --> 02:40:19,120
was perhaps rand writing about a real

4447
02:40:22,950 --> 02:40:20,640
organization that she had heard

4448
02:40:26,389 --> 02:40:22,960
murmurings of

4449
02:40:28,550 --> 02:40:26,399
uh since rand

4450
02:40:29,750 --> 02:40:28,560
did a group of people get the idea you

4451
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:29,760
know say hey this

4452
02:40:33,750 --> 02:40:32,880
this john gul galtz gulch let's just

4453
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:33,760
walk away

4454
02:40:37,510 --> 02:40:35,439
and do our own thing privately this is a

4455
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:37,520
good idea has someone

4456
02:40:44,070 --> 02:40:40,960
been motivated or inspired by iran

4457
02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:44,080
there seems to be hints and traces of

4458
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:47,680
some type of breakaway style culture

4459
02:40:51,830 --> 02:40:50,560
that moves at the periphery or sometimes

4460
02:40:55,510 --> 02:40:51,840
in

4461
02:40:58,950 --> 02:40:55,520
technological development community

4462
02:40:59,269 --> 02:40:58,960
that kind of thing and um i i don't know

4463
02:41:03,349 --> 02:40:59,279
i

4464
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:03,359
suspect

4465
02:41:06,550 --> 02:41:05,840
that there that there's something like

4466
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:06,560
that there

4467
02:41:12,790 --> 02:41:10,880
is some group that has their members

4468
02:41:14,630 --> 02:41:12,800
in these various agencies and

4469
02:41:15,910 --> 02:41:14,640
organizations it's similar to

4470
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:15,920
what i told you about my uncle's

4471
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:17,760
mentorship of me whether i worked for

4472
02:41:20,150 --> 02:41:18,560
the fbi

4473
02:41:22,070 --> 02:41:20,160
whether i was in the air force whether i

4474
02:41:22,790 --> 02:41:22,080
was with the organization doing ct or

4475
02:41:25,910 --> 02:41:22,800
what have you

4476
02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:25,920
i was always reporting into him

4477
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:28,880
okay and you see me going to different

4478
02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:30,800
agencies but if you look at what i was

4479
02:41:34,309 --> 02:41:32,080
doing specifically

4480
02:41:37,110 --> 02:41:34,319
it was essentially the same exact skill

4481
02:41:38,870 --> 02:41:37,120
set the same exact kind of work

4482
02:41:41,349 --> 02:41:38,880
but i was moving in you know the

4483
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:41,359
different in the different organizations

4484
02:41:48,630 --> 02:41:44,560
and this is how you know this kind of

4485
02:41:52,469 --> 02:41:48,640
breakaway independent organization might

4486
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:52,479
function they might have their people in

4487
02:41:56,790 --> 02:41:55,359
various organizations you know military

4488
02:42:00,070 --> 02:41:56,800
technological development

4489
02:42:01,510 --> 02:42:00,080
or private aerospace development or nasa

4490
02:42:04,550 --> 02:42:01,520
or what have you

4491
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:04,560
and they could be exhibiting or exerting

4492
02:42:09,990 --> 02:42:06,800
their influence in that way

4493
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:10,000
so that it's kind of like a a what do

4494
02:42:12,550 --> 02:42:10,960
they

4495
02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:12,560
use this term that you know their own

4496
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:15,040
little invisible college of experts

4497
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:18,720
who are you know um going in and putting

4498
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:19,920
their little

4499
02:42:23,110 --> 02:42:21,760
ripples in the ponds the various ripples

4500
02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:23,120
in the ponds to

4501
02:42:26,469 --> 02:42:25,120
move us in a particular direction that

4502
02:42:29,830 --> 02:42:26,479
they have envisioned

4503
02:42:32,469 --> 02:42:29,840
that could be what um

4504
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:32,479
the nature of the breakaway is now i

4505
02:42:36,389 --> 02:42:33,200
don't see

4506
02:42:36,710 --> 02:42:36,399
some breakaway organization with a fleet

4507
02:42:39,269 --> 02:42:36,720
of

4508
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:39,279
you know like starship enterprises and

4509
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:40,880
having you know

4510
02:42:44,389 --> 02:42:43,120
cities on other worlds i i just i i

4511
02:42:47,670 --> 02:42:44,399
don't see that

4512
02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:47,680
um you know it's just like that comic

4513
02:42:51,030 --> 02:42:49,760
version of the secret space program that

4514
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:51,040
unfortunately

4515
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:53,600
derailed legitimate secret space program

4516
02:42:57,990 --> 02:42:54,800
research

4517
02:43:01,990 --> 02:42:58,000
um you know no that does not exist

4518
02:43:04,230 --> 02:43:02,000
there is no there is no

4519
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:04,240
time traveling special ops force that

4520
02:43:09,429 --> 02:43:06,960
goes to mars and fights bugs

4521
02:43:10,389 --> 02:43:09,439
with with obama nonetheless walter

4522
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:10,399
remember that

4523
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:13,359
oh that's right with obama yeah he went

4524
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:14,240
to mars

4525
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:16,160
when he was a kid and told that he would

4526
02:43:18,469 --> 02:43:17,840
be president and this guy and the other

4527
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:18,479
yeah yeah yeah

4528
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:20,880
all of that nonsense you know um but

4529
02:43:24,309 --> 02:43:22,000
that for those who don't

4530
02:43:25,670 --> 02:43:24,319
know who we're talking about i don't

4531
02:43:27,429 --> 02:43:25,680
even want to mention

4532
02:43:29,269 --> 02:43:27,439
them because yeah you got to be careful

4533
02:43:32,230 --> 02:43:29,279
with that guy yeah

4534
02:43:33,429 --> 02:43:32,240
that gives them uh some um free

4535
02:43:35,110 --> 02:43:33,439
marketing so

4536
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:35,120
you don't know that yeah you don't want

4537
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:36,880
to do that but yeah avoid all that

4538
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:38,160
nonsense but anyway that's

4539
02:43:41,590 --> 02:43:40,080
going back to what i'm saying i i think

4540
02:43:43,190 --> 02:43:41,600
right now i'm thinking that

4541
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:43,200
that might be the nature of the

4542
02:43:48,389 --> 02:43:44,720
breakaway is kind of an

4543
02:43:49,830 --> 02:43:48,399
influence organization interesting i'm

4544
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:49,840
glad you brought up the term

4545
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:52,080
invisible college because yeah it's very

4546
02:43:56,950 --> 02:43:54,160
possible you know they're either mining

4547
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:56,960
information or they're putting their own

4548
02:44:02,309 --> 02:43:59,120
influence into or both

4549
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:02,319
or both yeah that's so true um

4550
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:04,560
well here's a good one uh with your air

4551
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:05,600
force experience

4552
02:44:09,269 --> 02:44:08,160
comdiver on twitter asks to your

4553
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:09,279
knowledge walter

4554
02:44:13,750 --> 02:44:11,600
has anyone in the air force ever been

4555
02:44:16,389 --> 02:44:13,760
injured by a uap

4556
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:16,399
in the line of duty you ever come across

4557
02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:16,960
anything

4558
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:19,600
in your research or or or people you've

4559
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:21,840
spoken to who've been injured by a

4560
02:44:28,389 --> 02:44:26,399
phenomenon well but specifically by uaps

4561
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:28,399
which i think are you know military

4562
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:29,680
objects and stuff i don't know

4563
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:33,200
you know because that really emerged

4564
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:36,240
uh after i got out and my duties didn't

4565
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:37,439
have anything to do

4566
02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:40,240
directly with anything like that that

4567
02:44:44,790 --> 02:44:41,520
you know whatever it was

4568
02:44:47,349 --> 02:44:44,800
as it existed in the 90s so

4569
02:44:48,870 --> 02:44:47,359
i'm not aware that now uh you know we

4570
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:48,880
have heard these cases

4571
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:52,319
of um uh folks that you know have

4572
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:53,279
received the

4573
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,640
the radiation burns after having

4574
02:44:59,670 --> 02:44:59,040
you know a ufo experience in in civilian

4575
02:45:03,429 --> 02:44:59,680
cases

4576
02:45:06,710 --> 02:45:03,439
so um and michael schratt has done some

4577
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:06,720
excellent uh recent he's got a book out

4578
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:08,000
it's on kindle

4579
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:10,319
and he goes into that and he talks about

4580
02:45:15,110 --> 02:45:12,479
two particular cases which

4581
02:45:17,990 --> 02:45:15,120
he shows you the reasons why it's pretty

4582
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:18,000
obvious that it's um

4583
02:45:21,670 --> 02:45:19,520
people were exposed to technology and

4584
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:21,680
this was literally radiation now that

4585
02:45:26,309 --> 02:45:22,560
said

4586
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:26,319
if if civilians got exposed to it

4587
02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:29,520
in you know kind of a uh oh

4588
02:45:33,429 --> 02:45:31,279
somebody was driving by while we were

4589
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:33,439
out and had problems and had to land

4590
02:45:37,670 --> 02:45:34,240
whatever

4591
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,680
i'm sure that it has happened that

4592
02:45:41,670 --> 02:45:39,840
the personnel working with this stuff

4593
02:45:42,150 --> 02:45:41,680
have encountered you know the side

4594
02:45:44,630 --> 02:45:42,160
effects

4595
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:44,640
which brings me to um and this might be

4596
02:45:47,750 --> 02:45:45,359
kind of a

4597
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:47,760
a thin connection but it's the example

4598
02:45:50,550 --> 02:45:48,960
that comes to mind

4599
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:50,560
rendell from forest i don't think that

4600
02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:52,399
was an et event at all

4601
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:54,240
i think that's exactly what others have

4602
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:56,399
said it was that that it was

4603
02:46:03,190 --> 02:45:59,840
a psyop related thing and um

4604
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:03,200
i think that

4605
02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:06,399
you know personnel that were

4606
02:46:10,630 --> 02:46:08,800
close to the thing or whatever that had

4607
02:46:13,670 --> 02:46:10,640
some type of side effects

4608
02:46:16,870 --> 02:46:13,680
you know there's an example of how

4609
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:16,880
military personnel could um encounter

4610
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,000
the technology and

4611
02:46:22,309 --> 02:46:20,800
and be injured or affected in some way

4612
02:46:24,389 --> 02:46:22,319
by it

4613
02:46:26,150 --> 02:46:24,399
it would be during some type of you know

4614
02:46:27,670 --> 02:46:26,160
psyop thing like that where they want to

4615
02:46:29,269 --> 02:46:27,680
get people's reactions

4616
02:46:31,510 --> 02:46:29,279
the honest reaction of military

4617
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:31,520
personnel um

4618
02:46:35,670 --> 02:46:34,800
and so you know you could have injuries

4619
02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:35,680
that way

4620
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:39,040
if they got too close to some type of

4621
02:46:43,830 --> 02:46:42,319
exhaust you know or intake thing or

4622
02:46:45,510 --> 02:46:43,840
if these things are using exotic

4623
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:45,520
technology there is going to be

4624
02:46:48,630 --> 02:46:48,000
you know a radiation issue depending

4625
02:46:50,469 --> 02:46:48,640
upon

4626
02:46:52,230 --> 02:46:50,479
you know what they're doing and people

4627
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:52,240
could get hurt so and and accidents

4628
02:46:55,349 --> 02:46:53,040
happen

4629
02:46:56,469 --> 02:46:55,359
you know in the military all the time

4630
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:56,479
when you're

4631
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:58,319
you know doing function tests and

4632
02:47:01,030 --> 02:47:00,160
operational tests and things like that

4633
02:47:04,070 --> 02:47:01,040
so

4634
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:04,080
long way around the barn to say um i'm

4635
02:47:09,110 --> 02:47:05,680
not personally aware

4636
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:09,120
but um i'm sure it's happened

4637
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:12,319
gotcha um all right this last one here

4638
02:47:15,830 --> 02:47:13,840
actually two more sorry

4639
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:15,840
sorry walter uh luis from the

4640
02:47:20,950 --> 02:47:17,920
unidentified celebrity review

4641
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:20,960
asks given your fbi background

4642
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:22,720
what kind of information do you expect

4643
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:25,120
the fbi will contribute to the uh

4644
02:47:31,910 --> 02:47:29,200
the upcoming uap report if any

4645
02:47:34,309 --> 02:47:31,920
would they yeah be any different than

4646
02:47:37,349 --> 02:47:34,319
anyone else providing information

4647
02:47:38,469 --> 02:47:37,359
i think the fbi has probably uh within

4648
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:38,479
the context of

4649
02:47:41,990 --> 02:47:40,319
this report that's coming out i think

4650
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:42,000
the fbi has

4651
02:47:45,590 --> 02:47:45,040
probably already released what they have

4652
02:47:49,910 --> 02:47:45,600
on that

4653
02:47:52,870 --> 02:47:49,920
unless there were

4654
02:47:53,910 --> 02:47:52,880
recent sightings in recent years that

4655
02:47:56,150 --> 02:47:53,920
people

4656
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:56,160
for whatever reason reported to the fbi

4657
02:47:59,190 --> 02:47:58,000
and agents go out and they take the

4658
02:48:01,190 --> 02:47:59,200
report and they

4659
02:48:04,389 --> 02:48:01,200
turn it in and then somebody up the line

4660
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:04,399
says oh well you got to remember there's

4661
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:07,200
there's always an fbi agent one or two

4662
02:48:09,830 --> 02:48:07,760
at least

4663
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:09,840
that are read in on a lot of military

4664
02:48:12,790 --> 02:48:11,520
programs okay maybe not all the

4665
02:48:16,389 --> 02:48:12,800
specifics but they're

4666
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:16,399
read in where um for instance when i was

4667
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:18,240
a russian linguist for the bureau

4668
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:21,520
and we were um

4669
02:48:25,349 --> 02:48:23,120
i had to do what's called a special

4670
02:48:27,349 --> 02:48:25,359
that's what the bureau calls a tdy

4671
02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:27,359
and i had to do a special out in las

4672
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:28,960
vegas and i was at mercury which is

4673
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:31,279
adjacent to area 51.

4674
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:34,560
and um the agent that

4675
02:48:39,190 --> 02:48:37,040
you know who this we had the russians

4676
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:39,200
wiretapped and we were listening to them

4677
02:48:42,870 --> 02:48:41,600
and the agent we were doing this for the

4678
02:48:45,510 --> 02:48:42,880
unseen agent

4679
02:48:46,389 --> 02:48:45,520
okay that was part of facilitating all

4680
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:46,399
this

4681
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:48,960
he happened to be the fb that's one fbi

4682
02:48:54,150 --> 02:48:52,000
single fbi agent in the las vegas office

4683
02:48:55,110 --> 02:48:54,160
who was briefed in on the basics of area

4684
02:48:58,550 --> 02:48:55,120
51 and

4685
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:58,560
had access free access coming and going

4686
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:59,279
to

4687
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,960
the basic base that doesn't mean he

4688
02:49:05,510 --> 02:49:02,880
could walk in every hangar but

4689
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:05,520
he could walk into hangers and um he and

4690
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:06,720
i had a conversation and

4691
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:08,560
he was honest he said i'd love to be

4692
02:49:10,469 --> 02:49:10,000
able to take you out there he goes you

4693
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:10,479
know you

4694
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:12,560
you guys have tias and clearance he goes

4695
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:14,240
but you clarence ain't high enough to go

4696
02:49:16,309 --> 02:49:14,720
out there

4697
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:16,319
my clearance at the time as a russian

4698
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:18,240
linguist and he says in fact i'm the

4699
02:49:22,870 --> 02:49:19,920
only one from the bureau

4700
02:49:23,429 --> 02:49:22,880
in my office that um is allowed to go

4701
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:23,439
there

4702
02:49:27,030 --> 02:49:25,680
he says and i'm only allowed to talk to

4703
02:49:28,550 --> 02:49:27,040
somebody at headquarters

4704
02:49:30,230 --> 02:49:28,560
about that you know that kind of thing

4705
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:30,240
so um that said there

4706
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:33,120
are fbi personnel and and if somebody

4707
02:49:37,110 --> 02:49:34,720
saw something recently

4708
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:37,120
that involves this the uap stuff and

4709
02:49:40,070 --> 02:49:39,200
they happen to report it to the fbi

4710
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:40,080
instead of the military

4711
02:49:43,830 --> 02:49:42,080
the fbi agents would take that report

4712
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:43,840
and it would go up the line and this is

4713
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:44,800
where this

4714
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:46,960
briefed in fbi personnel i'm talking

4715
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:47,840
about would be

4716
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:50,720
and they'd go oh i know what this is and

4717
02:49:53,510 --> 02:49:51,200
i know

4718
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:53,520
who this has to go to and they would you

4719
02:49:58,710 --> 02:49:55,600
know shoot off a copy of it a

4720
02:50:00,389 --> 02:49:58,720
communication to that particular dod

4721
02:50:02,309 --> 02:50:00,399
organization or the pentagon whatever

4722
02:50:04,230 --> 02:50:02,319
office in the pentagon i'm sure that

4723
02:50:07,750 --> 02:50:04,240
louis elizondo has probably

4724
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:07,760
seen whatever fbi reports

4725
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:11,279
were coming through the uap program

4726
02:50:14,550 --> 02:50:13,439
a tip program whatever it was i'm sure

4727
02:50:17,590 --> 02:50:14,560
he saw whatever

4728
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:17,600
fbi reports related to this

4729
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:20,720
that there were because that's kind of

4730
02:50:23,990 --> 02:50:23,200
you know some you know to my best guess

4731
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:24,000
would be

4732
02:50:28,150 --> 02:50:26,240
you know an organization an outfit that

4733
02:50:30,389 --> 02:50:28,160
would uh get those kinds of things

4734
02:50:31,269 --> 02:50:30,399
but i don't think i i really think this

4735
02:50:33,830 --> 02:50:31,279
pentagon report

4736
02:50:35,910 --> 02:50:33,840
is going to be a lot of nothing i think

4737
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:35,920
the new york times that first headline

4738
02:50:40,150 --> 02:50:38,240
before they changed it later that day

4739
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:40,160
you know though but we can't rule out

4740
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:42,560
aliens i i think their first headline

4741
02:50:45,190 --> 02:50:43,040
was

4742
02:50:46,950 --> 02:50:45,200
the brutal truth there's nothing

4743
02:50:49,670 --> 02:50:46,960
extraterrestrial going on here

4744
02:50:50,710 --> 02:50:49,680
and and don't get me wrong i'm on our

4745
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:50,720
side

4746
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:54,479
i do i think that the dod gained this

4747
02:50:59,190 --> 02:50:57,200
of course they did they they look at the

4748
02:51:00,309 --> 02:50:59,200
specific wording of what congress tells

4749
02:51:03,510 --> 02:51:00,319
them to do and they're like

4750
02:51:04,070 --> 02:51:03,520
okay that's what they said it's got to

4751
02:51:08,790 --> 02:51:04,080
be

4752
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:08,800
spirit of it well they only specified

4753
02:51:11,349 --> 02:51:09,760
uaps but

4754
02:51:13,110 --> 02:51:11,359
we're going to give everybody the truth

4755
02:51:14,550 --> 02:51:13,120
about et's no they're not going to do

4756
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:14,560
that they're going to say oh no

4757
02:51:17,910 --> 02:51:16,640
this is what you asked for this is what

4758
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:17,920
we're giving you of course they're

4759
02:51:20,950 --> 02:51:18,720
gaming us

4760
02:51:21,910 --> 02:51:20,960
um and and that leads to i'll just

4761
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:21,920
comment on this i

4762
02:51:25,510 --> 02:51:23,840
this this is a popular thing that goes

4763
02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:25,520
around uh

4764
02:51:28,710 --> 02:51:26,960
and i've been hearing it a lot lately oh

4765
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:28,720
they don't know anything about that they

4766
02:51:32,070 --> 02:51:30,240
what it is is they don't know about the

4767
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:32,080
aliens they don't know anything they're

4768
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:32,560
just

4769
02:51:36,230 --> 02:51:35,760
i'm like oh people you know please come

4770
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:36,240
on

4771
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:38,080
they've been looking at this stuff for

4772
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:39,600
almost a century now

4773
02:51:44,630 --> 02:51:43,600
so they it i know hopefully would have

4774
02:51:47,429 --> 02:51:44,640
some idea

4775
02:51:48,389 --> 02:51:47,439
yeah come on they're they're not that

4776
02:51:50,870 --> 02:51:48,399
ignorant but yeah i

4777
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:50,880
i think they're it and that's why the

4778
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:52,720
report's gonna be a big disappointment

4779
02:51:55,830 --> 02:51:54,000
there's gonna be people though in the

4780
02:51:57,510 --> 02:51:55,840
community they're gonna spin it

4781
02:51:59,190 --> 02:51:57,520
you know however they want to to keep

4782
02:52:00,550 --> 02:51:59,200
the excitement going and

4783
02:52:03,030 --> 02:52:00,560
they're you know they're gonna sound

4784
02:52:04,710 --> 02:52:03,040
really convincing but

4785
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:04,720
you know i i don't think there's gonna

4786
02:52:09,910 --> 02:52:08,000
be anything to it but as i say

4787
02:52:11,910 --> 02:52:09,920
i could be wrong and it would be totally

4788
02:52:14,230 --> 02:52:11,920
cool to be wrong if it turned out to be

4789
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:14,240
some type of et disclosure it's a

4790
02:52:18,070 --> 02:52:15,680
win-win

4791
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:18,080
you know right that would be cool too

4792
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:20,399
i'd be glad to say wow i was wrong about

4793
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:21,120
that

4794
02:52:25,190 --> 02:52:24,160
look how cool this is but yeah yeah i

4795
02:52:26,469 --> 02:52:25,200
really don't think that's going to

4796
02:52:28,870 --> 02:52:26,479
happen

4797
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:28,880
hey if this was the one time walter

4798
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:30,160
bosley was wrong

4799
02:52:33,990 --> 02:52:33,040
it would probably be the best time ever

4800
02:52:36,070 --> 02:52:34,000
exactly right

4801
02:52:37,910 --> 02:52:36,080
it won't embarrass me is my point i'll

4802
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:37,920
be that would be the coolest

4803
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:41,120
thing to be wrong about right awesome

4804
02:52:45,349 --> 02:52:42,800
all right our last listener question

4805
02:52:46,630 --> 02:52:45,359
walter okay uh dave from shadows of your

4806
02:52:49,590 --> 02:52:46,640
mind magazine

4807
02:52:51,830 --> 02:52:49,600
he asks do you see any similarities

4808
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:51,840
between the arrow sonora club

4809
02:52:56,389 --> 02:52:54,319
of the late 19th century and lockheed

4810
02:53:01,190 --> 02:52:56,399
skunk orcs with regards to

4811
02:53:01,200 --> 02:53:06,309
i certainly think that

4812
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:07,990
stuff that's been developed you know

4813
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:16,710
has a technological ancestral link

4814
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:20,240
going back to the 19th century and

4815
02:53:27,110 --> 02:53:24,000
things that were being done by

4816
02:53:28,790 --> 02:53:27,120
groups like the sonora aero club uh most

4817
02:53:29,429 --> 02:53:28,800
people that are familiar with my stuff

4818
02:53:32,950 --> 02:53:29,439
know that

4819
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:32,960
uh until demonstrated otherwise

4820
02:53:37,750 --> 02:53:34,960
i do not see charles dalshaw as some

4821
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:37,760
type of outsider artist and all that

4822
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:41,040
i i think del shao was telling the truth

4823
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:43,920
until demonstrated otherwise to me i

4824
02:53:49,750 --> 02:53:45,840
think he was telling the truth

4825
02:53:52,150 --> 02:53:49,760
about what he saw so therefore um

4826
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:52,160
i i have pulled threads and i i think

4827
02:53:56,870 --> 02:53:53,920
there is something to it

4828
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:56,880
so obviously if they were doing this if

4829
02:54:00,630 --> 02:53:57,920
my hypothesis

4830
02:54:01,990 --> 02:54:00,640
is is correct where we have the sonora

4831
02:54:04,790 --> 02:54:02,000
error club messing around with

4832
02:54:05,349 --> 02:54:04,800
rudimentary model t level um proof of

4833
02:54:07,910 --> 02:54:05,359
concept

4834
02:54:09,590 --> 02:54:07,920
anti-gravity so to speak technology and

4835
02:54:12,389 --> 02:54:09,600
that did indeed lead

4836
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:12,399
to the 1890s airship mystery with more

4837
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:13,840
technically advanced

4838
02:54:18,469 --> 02:54:16,240
versions of that technology then that

4839
02:54:21,670 --> 02:54:18,479
thread had to go somewhere

4840
02:54:22,950 --> 02:54:21,680
and um and the germans obviously weren't

4841
02:54:24,950 --> 02:54:22,960
the only ones doing it remember the

4842
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:24,960
sonora arrow club rejected

4843
02:54:28,710 --> 02:54:26,640
the advances of the prussian

4844
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,720
organization you know the sonora arrow

4845
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:30,560
club del chao tells us

4846
02:54:34,389 --> 02:54:33,279
they didn't like nimza's representatives

4847
02:54:38,309 --> 02:54:34,399
coming to them

4848
02:54:40,389 --> 02:54:38,319
and uh they kind of liked you know

4849
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:40,399
being californians being americans that

4850
02:54:44,150 --> 02:54:41,760
kind of thing so

4851
02:54:46,309 --> 02:54:44,160
um you know in the 1890s airship mystery

4852
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:46,319
there's no reason to suspect that that

4853
02:54:50,070 --> 02:54:46,640
was

4854
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:50,080
americans

4855
02:54:55,590 --> 02:54:53,120
and um other organizations

4856
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:55,600
allied with these americans because

4857
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:57,520
there were some

4858
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:00,960
east indian or east asian

4859
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:03,520
individuals in that airship mystery mix

4860
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:05,120
and that's really interesting

4861
02:55:10,389 --> 02:55:08,399
um but uh that thread

4862
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:10,399
had to go somewhere whatever they

4863
02:55:12,870 --> 02:55:11,840
learned whatever they were developing

4864
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:12,880
whatever they learned

4865
02:55:16,309 --> 02:55:15,439
had to go somewhere and i'm convinced

4866
02:55:19,990 --> 02:55:16,319
that

4867
02:55:22,870 --> 02:55:20,000
it was involved with or led to

4868
02:55:23,750 --> 02:55:22,880
um people like well what tesla was doing

4869
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:23,760
but also

4870
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:26,399
what t townsend brown was doing and all

4871
02:55:30,630 --> 02:55:27,279
of that

4872
02:55:33,750 --> 02:55:30,640
uh research into anti-gravity stuff

4873
02:55:36,950 --> 02:55:33,760
that suddenly went quiet in the 50s

4874
02:55:40,550 --> 02:55:36,960
suddenly just disappeared i think that

4875
02:55:43,269 --> 02:55:40,560
is the technological descendant

4876
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:43,279
of what was going on in the 19th century

4877
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:44,240
sorry folks

4878
02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:46,160
it's not from a crash saucer that was

4879
02:55:51,190 --> 02:55:47,920
re-engineered by the nazis

4880
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:51,200
that's i don't i don't buy that um

4881
02:55:57,269 --> 02:55:54,640
but uh it's just as exciting

4882
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:57,279
when you look at the possibility that

4883
02:56:01,750 --> 02:55:59,760
human beings were messing around with

4884
02:56:02,790 --> 02:56:01,760
what we would call exotic technologies

4885
02:56:05,429 --> 02:56:02,800
in an era

4886
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:05,439
you know where we never imagined they'd

4887
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:06,640
be doing that

4888
02:56:09,910 --> 02:56:08,319
so yeah you know it's kind of

4889
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:09,920
interesting it is

4890
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:13,680
it's fascinating yeah um all right well

4891
02:56:17,590 --> 02:56:16,399
here's kind of connects to that last

4892
02:56:21,110 --> 02:56:17,600
question here

4893
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:21,120
um can you tell us about um

4894
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:22,800
what you're doing at contact in the

4895
02:56:28,550 --> 02:56:24,960
desert i know you're diving into

4896
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:28,560
roswell territory and uh a lot of other

4897
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:30,479
things connected to that

4898
02:56:34,309 --> 02:56:32,560
and um yeah give it to us what are you

4899
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:34,319
doing at contact in the desert

4900
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:35,920
yeah i'm excited this is my first time

4901
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:38,160
being a speaker there i've attended a

4902
02:56:40,870 --> 02:56:39,120
couple of times

4903
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:40,880
you know signing books at tables that

4904
02:56:46,070 --> 02:56:42,240
kind of thing and

4905
02:56:47,990 --> 02:56:46,080
um i you know a mutual friend introduced

4906
02:56:50,070 --> 02:56:48,000
me to the folks that run it they liked

4907
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:50,080
um they they looked at a couple of my

4908
02:56:53,510 --> 02:56:51,279
books and

4909
02:56:54,469 --> 02:56:53,520
i liked when they asked me if i wanted

4910
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:54,479
to speak

4911
02:56:57,830 --> 02:56:56,160
i like what they told me about what

4912
02:56:59,510 --> 02:56:57,840
they're they're going for you know

4913
02:57:01,349 --> 02:56:59,520
there's some folks that say oh contact

4914
02:57:01,910 --> 02:57:01,359
in the desert it's all this goofy stuff

4915
02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:01,920
and

4916
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:06,960
you know with in particular with this

4917
02:57:10,630 --> 02:57:08,880
one to get

4918
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:10,640
you know different kinds of speakers to

4919
02:57:13,349 --> 02:57:12,960
get different ideas and hypotheses out

4920
02:57:15,349 --> 02:57:13,359
there

4921
02:57:17,030 --> 02:57:15,359
they're they're trying to focus even

4922
02:57:20,070 --> 02:57:17,040
more on the people who do

4923
02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:20,080
the historical and technical research

4924
02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:23,439
so i think people that have a view

4925
02:57:29,349 --> 02:57:27,680
of the event um might come away

4926
02:57:30,550 --> 02:57:29,359
if they take a look at who's speaking

4927
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:30,560
and what they're talking about i mean

4928
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:31,760
there's a mix of it all

4929
02:57:34,950 --> 02:57:33,200
okay and you can pick and choose what

4930
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:34,960
you want to ignore and stuff but

4931
02:57:38,469 --> 02:57:36,800
um i was really impressed with and i

4932
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:38,479
appreciated that they considered me to

4933
02:57:42,550 --> 02:57:40,399
be one of those who you know it's like a

4934
02:57:44,309 --> 02:57:42,560
researcher someone who's really trying

4935
02:57:44,870 --> 02:57:44,319
to get the truth so i said yeah you know

4936
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:44,880
what

4937
02:57:48,469 --> 02:57:46,560
i'll put my money where my mouth is if

4938
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:48,479
that's you know the direction they're

4939
02:57:52,950 --> 02:57:49,680
going and that's what i do

4940
02:57:56,150 --> 02:57:52,960
absolutely i'll speak at the event so

4941
02:57:56,870 --> 02:57:56,160
the books that they liked were my books

4942
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:56,880
origin

4943
02:58:00,710 --> 02:57:59,040
the 19th century emergence of the 20th

4944
02:58:02,469 --> 02:58:00,720
century breakaway civilizations

4945
02:58:04,389 --> 02:58:02,479
back when i still use the civilization

4946
02:58:07,110 --> 02:58:04,399
term

4947
02:58:09,190 --> 02:58:07,120
which offers info about some of my 19th

4948
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:09,200
century stuff that i was just mentioning

4949
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:11,040
in answer to the other question and my

4950
02:58:13,590 --> 02:58:12,880
other book shimmering light in which i

4951
02:58:17,269 --> 02:58:13,600
lay out

4952
02:58:18,070 --> 02:58:17,279
in that book what i think the roswell

4953
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:18,080
incident really

4954
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:21,840
was and that is the focus of my present

4955
02:58:25,269 --> 02:58:23,680
my main presentation at contact in the

4956
02:58:27,510 --> 02:58:25,279
desert this year is i'm

4957
02:58:28,850 --> 02:58:27,520
to the biggest audience i've ever spoken

4958
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:28,860
to

4959
02:58:33,269 --> 02:58:31,120
[Music]

4960
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:33,279
live stream so it's going to have global

4961
02:58:37,269 --> 02:58:34,800
reach um

4962
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:37,279
i'm going to be laying out my

4963
02:58:40,710 --> 02:58:38,560
alternative hypoth

4964
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:40,720
alternative to the et hypothesis i don't

4965
02:58:44,630 --> 02:58:42,000
think roswell was an e.t

4966
02:58:45,990 --> 02:58:44,640
event but that i'll be laying that out

4967
02:58:48,469 --> 02:58:46,000
my main presentation and then

4968
02:58:50,309 --> 02:58:48,479
i'll be doing a workshop in which i get

4969
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:50,319
into my ufo sighting

4970
02:58:54,389 --> 02:58:52,720
and i share data and information that

4971
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:54,399
i've never shared publicly

4972
02:58:59,110 --> 02:58:57,120
and because of very recent research

4973
02:59:02,230 --> 02:58:59,120
discoveries

4974
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:02,240
i'll have even more to

4975
02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:05,600
um add to that um in the discussion in

4976
02:59:08,950 --> 02:59:07,600
the workshop i really wanted to make

4977
02:59:10,710 --> 02:59:08,960
you know people these things aren't

4978
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:10,720
cheap you know to attend

4979
02:59:15,269 --> 02:59:14,080
and um not inexpensive and you know i

4980
02:59:16,309 --> 02:59:15,279
really want to give people something

4981
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,319
special so

4982
02:59:19,510 --> 02:59:18,080
that's why the folks who get the

4983
02:59:21,510 --> 02:59:19,520
workshop ticket are going to hear

4984
02:59:22,710 --> 02:59:21,520
details that i've never shared publicly

4985
02:59:24,790 --> 02:59:22,720
not in any book

4986
02:59:26,389 --> 02:59:24,800
or any talk so and i'm going to be on a

4987
02:59:29,910 --> 02:59:26,399
panel i'm going to be on one of the

4988
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:29,920
the a disclosure panel that i believe is

4989
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:32,960
uh moderated by steve bassett

4990
02:59:36,710 --> 02:59:34,479
and there's several of the people and

4991
02:59:39,990 --> 02:59:36,720
i've been asked to participate in that

4992
02:59:42,550 --> 02:59:40,000
so i'm looking forward to it um

4993
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:42,560
a lot of fun um all right last question

4994
02:59:47,670 --> 02:59:44,000
for you walter

4995
02:59:48,710 --> 02:59:47,680
now it's no i guess it's no secret that

4996
02:59:52,150 --> 02:59:48,720
the ufo

4997
02:59:53,190 --> 02:59:52,160
community or uh you know ufo twitter

4998
02:59:55,510 --> 02:59:53,200
whatever you want to call

4999
02:59:57,190 --> 02:59:55,520
all of these people who talk about this

5000
02:59:59,110 --> 02:59:57,200
stuff has grown

5001
03:00:01,429 --> 02:59:59,120
exponentially in the last couple years

5002
03:00:02,469 --> 03:00:01,439
it's like you know as the topic becomes

5003
03:00:04,950 --> 03:00:02,479
more mainstream

5004
03:00:06,150 --> 03:00:04,960
more people start looking into stuff

5005
03:00:08,790 --> 03:00:06,160
going online and

5006
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:08,800
um it just it's exploded so there's

5007
03:00:11,990 --> 03:00:10,479
people from all over the world all

5008
03:00:14,150 --> 03:00:12,000
different generations

5009
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:14,160
interested in this topic right now so i

5010
03:00:18,630 --> 03:00:15,920
want to ask you

5011
03:00:19,190 --> 03:00:18,640
what advice would you give people just

5012
03:00:22,230 --> 03:00:19,200
getting

5013
03:00:24,070 --> 03:00:22,240
into this topic what do you what would

5014
03:00:26,150 --> 03:00:24,080
you tell them to expect

5015
03:00:27,590 --> 03:00:26,160
uh what should they look into what

5016
03:00:30,150 --> 03:00:27,600
should they stay away from

5017
03:00:30,790 --> 03:00:30,160
yeah give us that that fatherly advice

5018
03:00:34,550 --> 03:00:30,800
that we so

5019
03:00:37,190 --> 03:00:34,560
grave well i would say

5020
03:00:40,070 --> 03:00:37,200
post-cancer walter puts it differently

5021
03:00:43,269 --> 03:00:40,080
than pre-cancer walter

5022
03:00:46,469 --> 03:00:43,279
and that is um believe me i

5023
03:00:49,670 --> 03:00:46,479
i'm an honest guy i can be direct

5024
03:00:51,590 --> 03:00:49,680
i can you know my sarcasm will you know

5025
03:00:53,670 --> 03:00:51,600
whatever will come through because

5026
03:00:55,429 --> 03:00:53,680
you know sometimes you naturally got to

5027
03:00:58,309 --> 03:00:55,439
express that but

5028
03:00:59,990 --> 03:00:58,319
but particularly the more experience you

5029
03:01:00,950 --> 03:01:00,000
have with the ufo twitter and things

5030
03:01:04,870 --> 03:01:00,960
these days

5031
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:04,880
my first thing is remember to be nice

5032
03:01:10,950 --> 03:01:08,080
try to avoid those

5033
03:01:12,710 --> 03:01:10,960
combative types of threads and

5034
03:01:15,830 --> 03:01:12,720
conversations that are going on

5035
03:01:19,030 --> 03:01:15,840
seek out the people that talk about

5036
03:01:22,710 --> 03:01:19,040
ufo cases okay

5037
03:01:23,910 --> 03:01:22,720
avoid the the ufo enthusiasts that are

5038
03:01:27,190 --> 03:01:23,920
talking about everything

5039
03:01:28,389 --> 03:01:27,200
but ufos like the politics and the this

5040
03:01:30,230 --> 03:01:28,399
that and the other

5041
03:01:31,830 --> 03:01:30,240
seek out the people that are talking

5042
03:01:35,590 --> 03:01:31,840
about the ufo

5043
03:01:38,150 --> 03:01:35,600
hypotheses the

5044
03:01:38,710 --> 03:01:38,160
the people that are on point the people

5045
03:01:40,710 --> 03:01:38,720
you know

5046
03:01:42,550 --> 03:01:40,720
the people are being civil having a

5047
03:01:45,190 --> 03:01:42,560
civil discussion

5048
03:01:46,070 --> 03:01:45,200
um not engaging in the smack talk

5049
03:01:49,590 --> 03:01:46,080
because

5050
03:01:51,910 --> 03:01:49,600
you know this more um uh uh focused

5051
03:01:54,790 --> 03:01:51,920
conversation it is going on out there

5052
03:01:55,110 --> 03:01:54,800
you just gotta kind of wade through the

5053
03:02:02,309 --> 03:01:55,120
the

5054
03:02:05,349 --> 03:02:02,319
um but i would like to see um

5055
03:02:09,190 --> 03:02:05,359
a lot of that just kind of calm down and

5056
03:02:11,750 --> 03:02:09,200
and go away because it's not doing

5057
03:02:12,710 --> 03:02:11,760
a service to the community it's not

5058
03:02:16,389 --> 03:02:12,720
doing a service

5059
03:02:19,429 --> 03:02:16,399
to ufo research to be focused on

5060
03:02:22,230 --> 03:02:19,439
you know the demographics

5061
03:02:24,550 --> 03:02:22,240
of the ufo community for example if

5062
03:02:28,309 --> 03:02:24,560
people are being

5063
03:02:31,030 --> 03:02:28,319
civil and polite with each other

5064
03:02:32,710 --> 03:02:31,040
there's not going to be um a

5065
03:02:35,429 --> 03:02:32,720
demographics problem

5066
03:02:36,790 --> 03:02:35,439
you know to begin with because it

5067
03:02:39,510 --> 03:02:36,800
doesn't matter what or who

5068
03:02:40,710 --> 03:02:39,520
somebody is if they're interested in

5069
03:02:42,550 --> 03:02:40,720
ufos

5070
03:02:44,710 --> 03:02:42,560
especially if they've been doing some

5071
03:02:45,830 --> 03:02:44,720
good research and have some good data to

5072
03:02:48,469 --> 03:02:45,840
contribute

5073
03:02:49,670 --> 03:02:48,479
nobody interested in ufos really cares

5074
03:02:52,870 --> 03:02:49,680
about

5075
03:02:54,389 --> 03:02:52,880
you know these side issues and

5076
03:02:56,389 --> 03:02:54,399
yeah you know when you talk about ufo

5077
03:02:58,150 --> 03:02:56,399
twitter unfortunately somebody that's

5078
03:02:59,429 --> 03:02:58,160
new to that they're gonna see a lot of

5079
03:03:03,269 --> 03:02:59,439
this

5080
03:03:05,030 --> 03:03:03,279
circus sideshow bombastic stuff going on

5081
03:03:08,950 --> 03:03:05,040
and all i'm saying is

5082
03:03:11,429 --> 03:03:08,960
seek out the people who stay on point

5083
03:03:13,110 --> 03:03:11,439
and and talk about the ufo cases because

5084
03:03:15,030 --> 03:03:13,120
that's really why

5085
03:03:16,710 --> 03:03:15,040
you're there you know that's why we're

5086
03:03:18,870 --> 03:03:16,720
here is

5087
03:03:19,750 --> 03:03:18,880
you know we want to know what's going on

5088
03:03:21,030 --> 03:03:19,760
with

5089
03:03:22,710 --> 03:03:21,040
yeah for the last three years you'd

5090
03:03:23,429 --> 03:03:22,720
think there was only one case and that's

5091
03:03:26,070 --> 03:03:23,439
the tic tac

5092
03:03:27,830 --> 03:03:26,080
no there's stuff going on i mean the

5093
03:03:30,070 --> 03:03:27,840
stuff you've written about and and like

5094
03:03:32,150 --> 03:03:30,080
your presentation in nova scotia

5095
03:03:33,590 --> 03:03:32,160
i mean i had only vaguely heard about

5096
03:03:37,269 --> 03:03:33,600
the the school

5097
03:03:40,870 --> 03:03:37,279
in africa right oh yeah the uh

5098
03:03:42,630 --> 03:03:40,880
zimbabwe case yeah that's wow

5099
03:03:44,630 --> 03:03:42,640
i mean that was the most detail i'd ever

5100
03:03:46,790 --> 03:03:44,640
heard on that and i'm like yo

5101
03:03:48,230 --> 03:03:46,800
this now this is the kind of thing you

5102
03:03:50,389 --> 03:03:48,240
know that i'm talking about

5103
03:03:53,110 --> 03:03:50,399
dig out this thing i would say look for

5104
03:03:55,349 --> 03:03:53,120
um michael schratz stuff look for ryan's

5105
03:03:56,469 --> 03:03:55,359
uh you know books and in in the

5106
03:03:59,990 --> 03:03:56,479
conversations but

5107
03:04:03,429 --> 03:04:00,000
um yeah just just try to

5108
03:04:05,830 --> 03:04:03,439
to you know find that civil path

5109
03:04:06,710 --> 03:04:05,840
it is out there and you'll learn a lot

5110
03:04:09,269 --> 03:04:06,720
you'll learn a lot

5111
03:04:11,510 --> 03:04:09,279
and just in our in these this day of

5112
03:04:14,309 --> 03:04:11,520
social media just

5113
03:04:15,910 --> 03:04:14,319
you know keep your focus and you'll be

5114
03:04:19,750 --> 03:04:15,920
okay

5115
03:04:25,110 --> 03:04:22,870
shun the loud noises

5116
03:04:26,550 --> 03:04:25,120
i love that man i love it that's that's

5117
03:04:27,590 --> 03:04:26,560
some great advice i agree with

5118
03:04:30,710 --> 03:04:27,600
everything you said

5119
03:04:32,550 --> 03:04:30,720
um well it's very clear that my uh the

5120
03:04:33,269 --> 03:04:32,560
sun is going down here in new york city

5121
03:04:35,429 --> 03:04:33,279
right now

5122
03:04:36,630 --> 03:04:35,439
i look like a vampire in the dark right

5123
03:04:38,469 --> 03:04:36,640
now so

5124
03:04:39,670 --> 03:04:38,479
i think that's it man we're gonna call

5125
03:04:42,870 --> 03:04:39,680
it tonight this was a

5126
03:04:43,429 --> 03:04:42,880
marathon but thank you i enjoyed doing

5127
03:04:45,349 --> 03:04:43,439
this

5128
03:04:46,469 --> 03:04:45,359
sure thank you thank you for sharing

5129
03:04:49,750 --> 03:04:46,479
your life with us

5130
03:04:52,790 --> 03:04:49,760
and your your career um man

5131
03:04:54,710 --> 03:04:52,800
i i know there are many conversations to

5132
03:04:56,790 --> 03:04:54,720
still be had with you my man so

5133
03:04:58,070 --> 03:04:56,800
i can't wait to see you at one of these

5134
03:05:00,710 --> 03:04:58,080
events soon

5135
03:05:01,990 --> 03:05:00,720
and um last question where can we find

5136
03:05:04,630 --> 03:05:02,000
everything you're up to

5137
03:05:05,190 --> 03:05:04,640
okay my books are not available at

5138
03:05:08,950 --> 03:05:05,200
amazon

5139
03:05:10,550 --> 03:05:08,960
press publishers so i don't sell on

5140
03:05:12,550 --> 03:05:10,560
amazon folks but

5141
03:05:14,309 --> 03:05:12,560
uh my books are available print on

5142
03:05:18,469 --> 03:05:14,319
demand very good quality

5143
03:05:21,269 --> 03:05:18,479
uh at lulu.com okay so l l-u-l-u.com

5144
03:05:22,389 --> 03:05:21,279
that's where my books are um they gotta

5145
03:05:23,910 --> 03:05:22,399
print them and then they gotta ship them

5146
03:05:24,710 --> 03:05:23,920
to you but it's worth the wait good

5147
03:05:26,550 --> 03:05:24,720
prices

5148
03:05:28,150 --> 03:05:26,560
um i also have a youtube channel the

5149
03:05:31,110 --> 03:05:28,160
walter bosley channel

5150
03:05:32,150 --> 03:05:31,120
um and i'm on i do live stream every

5151
03:05:35,429 --> 03:05:32,160
sunday night

5152
03:05:37,670 --> 03:05:35,439
5 30 to 7 p.m pacific standard time

5153
03:05:38,550 --> 03:05:37,680
at the walter bosley channel at youtube

5154
03:05:41,670 --> 03:05:38,560
and i'm on

5155
03:05:43,670 --> 03:05:41,680
instagram and facebook um

5156
03:05:45,510 --> 03:05:43,680
and i just recently got introduced to

5157
03:05:47,429 --> 03:05:45,520
tick tock and my son and nephew are

5158
03:05:49,349 --> 03:05:47,439
laughing at me because

5159
03:05:50,790 --> 03:05:49,359
i'm seeing all this hilariously funny

5160
03:05:51,750 --> 03:05:50,800
stuff and just cracking up and they're

5161
03:05:53,910 --> 03:05:51,760
like oh

5162
03:05:54,950 --> 03:05:53,920
dad's discovered tick-tock because there

5163
03:05:57,750 --> 03:05:54,960
is there's some

5164
03:05:58,870 --> 03:05:57,760
funny stuff on there people are

5165
03:06:01,910 --> 03:05:58,880
hilarious

5166
03:06:05,510 --> 03:06:01,920
on tick-tock talk tick-tock but um

5167
03:06:07,030 --> 03:06:05,520
yeah so there we go awesome man well

5168
03:06:08,630 --> 03:06:07,040
once again walter

5169
03:06:10,389 --> 03:06:08,640
thank you so much for joining us and

5170
03:06:12,309 --> 03:06:10,399
somewhere in the skies thank you for

5171
03:06:18,650 --> 03:06:12,319
asking me ryan i look forward to doing

5172
03:06:53,440 --> 03:06:51,750
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